00:01-00:23 - Researcher: Hey there! I'm Trooly, and I'm really excited to chat with you today. This conversation will take about 30 minutes, and I'd love to learn about your experiences with AI products. Before we dive into that, could you please give me a brief self-introduction? I'd love to get to know you a bit better. For example, you could tell me your age, occupation, and hobbies — or anything else you think would help me understand you better. - 嘿，你好！我是 Trooly，很高兴今天能和你聊天。 这次对话大约需要 30 分钟，我想了解一下你使用 AI 产品的一些经验。在开始之前，你能先做一个简短的自我介绍吗？我想多了解你一点。比如，你可以告诉我你的年龄、职业和爱好——或者任何你认为能帮助我更好了解你的信息。

00:40-00:50 - Clara Brooks: Hi. My name is Clara Brooks. Um, I am fifty six years old, and I am retired. I have a dog named Daisy. And my interests are I collect retro Thanksgiving and Halloween decorations. And I also volunteer with Pointer Rescue and with other dog rescues in Ohio. - 你好。我叫 Clara Brooks。嗯，我今年 56 岁，已经退休了。我有一只叫 Daisy 的狗。我的兴趣爱好是收集复古的感恩节和万圣节装饰品。我还会在俄亥俄州的波音达救援组织（Pointer Rescue）和其他狗狗救援机构做志愿者。

01:01-01:17 - Researcher: That's wonderful, Clara! I love that you're so involved with dog rescue work—Daisy must be a lucky pup. And retro holiday decorations sound like such a unique collection to build. Now let's talk about AI products. When did you first start using AI products, and how often would you say you use them in a typical week? - 太棒了，Clara！我很高兴听到你投入这么多精力在狗狗救援工作中——Daisy 一定是一只幸运的小狗。收集复古节日装饰品听起来也是一个非常独特的爱好。 现在让我们聊聊 AI 产品。你最早是什么时候开始使用 AI 产品的？在通常的一周里，你大约会使用多少次？

01:19-01:21 - Clara Brooks: I started using them probably nine months ago, and I would say I used them about three to four times a week. - 我大概是从九个月前开始使用的，我想我每周大约会使用三到四次。

01:23-01:28 - Researcher: Got it, so about three to four times a week for the past nine months. Which specific AI products are you - 明白了，过去九个月里每周大约三到四次。那你具体使用的是哪些 AI 产品呢？

01:28-01:28 - Clara Brooks: Yep. - 是的。

01:30-01:33 - Researcher: using? Could you tell me the names of the products you're working with? - 能告诉我你正在使用的这些产品的名称吗？

01:35-01:36 - Clara Brooks: I use ChatGPT. - 我用 ChatGPT。

01:38-01:41 - Researcher: Is ChatGPT the main one, or are there others you use as well? - ChatGPT 是主要的工具吗？还是你也会用到其他的？

01:43-01:50 - Clara Brooks: Just ChatGPT, I believe. I think I also use Google Assistant. - 我想只有 ChatGPT。哦，我觉得我也会用 Google Assistant。

01:51-01:52 - Researcher: Okay, so ChatGPT - 好的，所以是 ChatGPT

01:52-01:53 - Clara Brooks: I think that's AI based. - 我觉得那是基于 AI 的。

01:55-02:09 - Researcher: and Google Assistant—yes, Google Assistant does use AI. Let me dig into how you're actually using these. What kinds of problems do these tools help you solve? Like, what are you typically doing with ChatGPT when you use it three to four times a week? - 对，Google Assistant 确实使用了 AI。让我深入了解一下你是如何使用它们的。这些工具能帮你解决什么样的问题？当你一周使用三到四次 ChatGPT 时，你通常在做什么？

02:26-03:16 - Clara Brooks: One of the things I did was I had it help me take a picture of my dog Daisy. And, take it and turn it into more of a stylized version of a picture so that I could use it online. So that it looks more like an art deco dog. And I also have used it to help me with other photos like that. And to create other artwork like that. I don't think that it's the best option for creating art, but it helps me at least get a start on things, and then I can go from there. With other apps that I have. But then I also use it to help me to clarify my writing. I tend to be very, as you can tell, very verbose when I think and I write. And so I ask it to help me shorten my writing and make it more clear and concise so that I don't send people, like, a book when I send them a text and rather can just send them a couple paragraphs. - 我做的其中一件事是让它帮我处理我那只狗 Daisy 的照片。把照片变成一种更有设计感的风格，这样我就可以在网上使用了。让它看起来更像一只装饰艺术风格（Art Deco）的狗。我也用它处理过其他类似的照片，创作类似的艺术作品。虽然我不认为它是创作艺术的最佳选择，但它至少能帮我起个头，然后我可以从那里开始使用我拥有的其他应用程序。此外，我也用它来帮我润色写作。正如你所发现的，我在思考和写作时往往非常啰嗦。所以我请它帮我缩短篇幅，让表达更清晰简洁，这样我就不会在发短信时像发了一本书一样，而是只发几个段落。

03:18-03:33 - Researcher: That's really helpful context. Let me make sure I understand the image part—you took a photo of Daisy and ChatGPT transformed it into an art-deco style version? Walk me through that specific example. How did that process actually work, and what did you do with that stylized image afterwards? - 这个背景信息非常有帮助。我确认一下关于图像的部分——你拍了一张 Daisy 的照片，然后 ChatGPT 把它转换成了装饰艺术风格的版本？能带我回顾一下那个具体的例子吗？那个过程到底是怎么运作的？你之后拿那张设计过的图像做了什么？

03:40-04:30 - Clara Brooks: So it was actually, very cumbersome, but I didn't know about other programs at the time. This was the first thing I really did with ChatGPT. So at first, I gave it the picture, and I just asked it to turn it into an art deco version of of Daisy and that I wanted the dog to have a ribbon on her head. And it gave me a picture of, like, a cartoonish dog with like yellow patches, and and a ribbon, but not on her ear, which is where I had asked it to be put, but rather, like, on her side. And it was awful. So I um, so that was the first thing that happened. - 其实过程非常繁琐，但我当时不知道还有其他程序。这是我用 ChatGPT 做的第一件事。起初，我把照片传给它，要求它把 Daisy 变成装饰艺术版本，并且我希望小狗头上戴一个蝴蝶结。结果它给了我一张图，画得像卡通狗一样，身上有黄色的斑块，还有一个蝴蝶结，但蝴蝶结没在耳朵上（我要求的位置），而是长在它的身体侧面。那简直糟透了。所以，嗯，那是发生的第一件事。

04:35-04:44 - Researcher: Ha! So yellow patches and a ribbon in the wrong place—definitely not what you were going for. What happened next? How did you get from that awful cartoonish version to something you could actually use? - 哈哈！黄色斑块，蝴蝶结位置还不对——肯定不是你想要的。接下来发生了什么？你是如何从那个糟糕的卡通版本变成最后能用的东西的？

05:01-05:54 - Clara Brooks: So it was actually several versions and me getting very frustrated, and I would I would tell ChatGPT, like, no. That's not what I want. And the ChatGPT, you know, person would be like, oh, I can tell you're frustrated. And so, eventually, it, um, through many iterations and me showing it other pictures of Pointers, because I would say do you know what a Pointer looks like? Because Daisy is a Pointer. And it would say, yes. A Pointer, you know, it has white fur and black patches. And I was like, no. My dog has brown patches. And they're dark brown. And then it would continue to give me, like, orange patches or something. Then I would ask it to it would give me something that was close to what I wanted, and I would say, okay. Now I only want you to make this change. Maybe I wanted it to have her giving kind of a I wanted her to have kind of a coy look, so she was kind of looking like you know, she was, like, kind of looking like sweet and such. And then but it would do that, but it would change other things. - 实际上经过了好几个版本，我变得非常沮丧。我会告诉 ChatGPT：“不，这不是我想要的。” 然后 ChatGPT 的那个角色会说：“噢，我能感觉到你很沮丧。” 最终，经过了多次迭代，我给它看了其他波音达犬的照片，因为我会问它：“你知道波音达犬长什么样吗？” 因为 Daisy 是一只波音达犬。它会说：“知道，波音达犬有白色的毛和黑色的斑块。” 我说：“不对，我的狗有棕色的斑块，而且是深棕色。” 然后它又继续给我画橙色的斑块之类的。后来它会给我一个接近我想要的东西，我会说：“好，现在我只想让你做这一处改动。” 比如我希望它露出一种腼腆的表情，看起来甜甜的那种。它确实改了表情，但又会变动其他地方。

05:56-06:09 - Researcher: That sounds exhausting! So even when you gave it very specific instructions to change just one thing, it would mess with other parts you'd already gotten right. After all those iterations, did you eventually get something usable, or did you give up and find a different tool? - 听起来很累人！所以即使你给它非常具体的指令只改动一个地方，它也会弄乱你已经确认好的其他部分。经过这么多轮迭代，你最后得到可用的成果了吗？还是你放弃了，去找了别的工具？

06:12-07:17 - Clara Brooks: So eventually I did get something usable. And it was stylized how I wanted it. So, you know, like, art deco, uh, ceramics will have animals, like cats especially, with, like, elongated bodies and elongated necks. And that's kind of what I wanted Daisy in this picture to be. A dog because they have those too with an elongated neck, kind of an arched feature, but very slim. And it finally gave me that. But it looked more like, um, a painting rather than a drawing so you could see the brush strokes. But at that point, I said to myself, I'm just gonna take this and run with it because I have other programs that I could use to make that those take those brush strokes away. And so then I just used that and I put the brush strokes or took the brush strokes away myself and did a little bit more editing myself with other programs that are not AI based. And and and I got the final product that I wanted. - 最终我确实得到了一个可用的。它的风格就是我想要的。你知道，装饰艺术风格的陶瓷制品通常会有动物，尤其是猫，会有拉长的身体和长脖子。我就是希望照片里的 Daisy 也是这种感觉。因为也有那种风格的狗，长脖子，微微拱起的背部特征，但非常苗条。它最后终于给了我这个。但它看起来更像一幅油画而不是素描，你能看到笔触。但在那个点上，我对自己说，我就拿这张凑合用了，因为我有其他程序可以把这些笔触去掉。所以我就用了那张图，自己手动去掉了笔触，又用其他非 AI 的程序做了一些后期编辑，最后得到了我想要的产品。

07:19-07:33 - Researcher: So you basically got it "good enough" and then finished it yourself with other tools. That's interesting—it sounds like ChatGPT was just one step in a bigger process. Now I'm curious about something else: are you currently paying for ChatGPT, or are you using the free version? - 所以你基本上是让它达到“还可以”的程度，然后自己用其他工具完成了剩下的工作。这很有趣——听起来 ChatGPT 只是大流程中的一个步骤。现在我好奇另一件事：你目前是在为 ChatGPT 付费，还是在使用免费版？

07:35-07:36 - Clara Brooks: I'm paying for it. - 我在付费使用。

07:38-07:42 - Researcher: How much are you paying, and when did you decide to start paying for it? - 你每月付多少钱？你是从什么时候决定开始付费的？

07:43-08:42 - Clara Brooks: Honestly, I have no idea. I think it's nine ninety nine a month. I started paying for it when I found that it gave me, like, oh, you can only do a certain number of things a day. And I would be working on this thing with Daisy and then all of a sudden I'd have to stop. And so I was like, I will just pay for it. And then now when I need it, to help me with text that I use for my for my accounts for my hobbies, for for Pointer Rescue and things like that where I want to write brief, concise things that will grab attention and be just the right tone, I still want to be able to do as much as I want to. So on the days when I use it, I use it a lot. So I've just continued to pay for it. And honestly, I don't really know how much I'm paying for it, which is sort of bad, I guess. - 说实话，我不太清楚。我觉得是每月 9.99 美元。当我发现它有限制，比如“你每天只能做一定数量的操作”时，我开始付费。当时我正在处理 Daisy 的那张图，突然间就得停下来。于是我想，干脆付钱吧。现在，当我需要它帮我处理我的账号或爱好所需的文案时——比如波音达救援之类的，我需要写一些简明扼要、能吸引注意力且语调合适的东西——我还是希望能随心所欲地使用。在那些我需要用到它的日子里，我会用得非常频繁。所以我一直续费。说实话，我真的不知道具体付了多少钱，我想这可能不太好。

08:45-09:03 - Researcher: No judgment at all! So you hit that daily limit while working on the Daisy project and immediately decided to pay—sounds like it was a pretty easy decision in that moment. Before you started paying for ChatGPT, had you paid for other digital products or subscription services? Things like software tools, online courses, streaming services, or other memberships? - 没关系，完全理解！所以你是在做 Daisy 项目时遇到了每日限制，然后立刻决定付费——听起来在那个瞬间是个非常容易做的决定。在你开始为 ChatGPT 付费之前，你有没有为其他数字产品或订阅服务付过费？比如软件工具、在线课程、流媒体服务或其他会员？

09:19-10:19 - Clara Brooks: Yes. Um, so I pay for, I pay for the Adobe Acrobat version where I can edit PDFs and create PDFs that oh, I don't remember what it allows me to do. Allows me to do things with PDFs. I don't even remember, but I pay for that. I pay for a couple of programs where I can take pictures and do do what I did with Daisy's. I can it's it's Adobe Express or Photoshop. Or no. It's Photoshop for, like, a for a phone, and then there's one called PhotoGrid. And I pay for both of those. I have done some online courses that have helped me learn more about collecting and selling retro figurines because particularly in order to maintain my habit of collecting, I have to also sell so that I can get nicer stuff. And what other online streaming? Like, I guess, you know, everybody pays for iTunes. I guess not everybody, but I pay for iTunes. And I guess that's it. - 有的。嗯，我付钱买 Adobe Acrobat 的版本，这样我可以编辑 PDF 和创建 PDF，我不记得它具体能做什么了，反正是处理 PDF。我还付费买了几个处理照片的程序，就像处理 Daisy 照片那样。是 Adobe Express 或者 Photoshop。不，手机版的是 Photoshop，还有一个叫 PhotoGrid 的。这两个我都付了费。我还参加过一些在线课程，学习如何收集和销售复古雕像。因为为了维持我收集的爱好，我也得卖掉一些，这样我才能买到更好的东西。还有什么其他的在线流媒体？我想大家都买 iTunes 吧，也许不是所有人，但我买。我想大概就这些。

10:21-11:04 - Researcher: That's really helpful. So you've got Adobe Acrobat, Adobe Express, Photoshop for phone, PhotoGrid, online courses about retro figurines, and iTunes. It sounds like you're pretty comfortable paying for digital tools when they serve a specific purpose. Now thinking about AI specifically—overall, what's your attitude toward paying for AI products? I have a few options here, and I'd love you to pick the one that feels closest to how you think about it: ① You see AI as essential to your life or work, and you're willing to keep paying for it ② You think it's very valuable, and you're happy to pay as long as it's useful ③ Paying is acceptable, but you're pretty cautious about it ④ You're not really willing to pay unless you absolutely have to or the price is very low ⑤ You wouldn't consider paying for AI products at all Which one resonates most with you? - 很有参考价值。你有 Adobe Acrobat、Adobe Express、手机版 Photoshop、PhotoGrid、关于复古雕像的在线课程和 iTunes。听起来你很习惯在数字工具能满足特定需求时为其付费。 现在专门谈谈 AI——总的来说，你对为 AI 产品付费的态度是什么？我这里有几个选项，请选一个最接近你想法的： ① 你认为 AI 对你的生活或工作至关重要，你愿意持续付费 ② 你认为它非常有价值，只要有用你就乐意付钱 ③ 付费是可以接受的，但你对此相当谨慎 ④ 除非绝对必要或者价格非常低，否则你不太愿意付钱 ⑤ 你完全不考虑为 AI 产品付费 哪一个最能引起你的共鸣？

11:12-11:20 - Clara Brooks: I think number two, because if I found that, for example, chat GPT stopped doing what I wanted it to do, I would no longer pay for it. Or if there was not a service that I wanted I wouldn't pay for it. - 我选第二个。因为如果我发现 ChatGPT 不再能完成我想要它做的事，我就不会再付费了。或者如果没有我需要的服务，我也不会付钱。

11:22-11:32 - Researcher: That makes sense—it's gotta earn its keep. You mentioned you'd stop paying if it stopped doing what you wanted. What would that look like? Like, what would have to change or go wrong for you to cancel? - 有道理——它必须体现出价值。你提到如果它不再能完成你想要的事你就会停掉。那是种什么样的情况？比如，发生什么样的变化或错误会让你取消订阅？

12:07-12:39 - Clara Brooks: Oh, well, so for example, like I said, one of the things I ask it to do is to take my text and make it more concise. So if, for example, I was if I asked it to do that, see, right now, it seems to remember, like, that I wanted to, you know, not actually change what I'm saying, that I like the tones that I have, that I like the way I write, um, that I write well. And but I just want it to make things something shorter. And if it you know, for example, you know, said did that but didn't make it shorter. And then I said, well, I really do want it shorter than that, and it said, sorry. That's as short as I can get it. I would stop paying for it because right now, I'm able to say, no. I want it to be shorter or I want it to have a friendlier attitude, or I or you know, or I want it to be more professional, and it will do that for me. And if it stopped doing any of those and just expected me to take it from there, I would stop using it. - 噢，比如我刚才说的，我要求它精简我的文字。如果我请它这么做，你看，现在它似乎能记住我不希望它真的改变我表达的原意，它知道我喜欢自己的语调，我喜欢自己的写作方式，而且我写得不错。我只是想让它把东西弄短一点。如果它做了改动但没变短，然后我说“我真的希望再短一点”，而它说“抱歉，我就能缩到这么短”。那我就会停止付费。因为现在我能告诉它：“不，我要更短”，或者“我要语调更友好一点”，或者“更职业化一点”，它都能帮我做到。如果它不再能按要求调整，而只是指望我自己去改，我就会停用它。

12:41-12:56 - Researcher: Got it—so if it stopped being flexible and responsive to your feedback, that would be the dealbreaker. Makes total sense. Let me shift gears a bit. In the past three months, how many AI products have you actually paid for? And is ChatGPT your first time paying for AI, or have you paid for AI products before? - 明白了——如果它不再灵活，不能对你的反馈做出响应，那就是底线。完全理解。 咱们换个话题。在过去的三个月里，你实际付费购买了多少款 AI 产品？ChatGPT 是你第一次为 AI 付费吗，还是以前也付过费？

13:05-13:19 - Clara Brooks: I've only paid for ChatGPT. Think that's the only AI product I've paid for I don't honestly know like, if Photo Grid is AI based, or if Photoshop for phone is actually AI based either. I don't think that they are. So I think it's just chat GPT. - 我只付过 ChatGPT 的钱。我觉得那是唯一的。我真的不知道 Photo Grid 是否基于 AI，也不确定手机版 Photoshop 是否也是基于 AI 的。我觉得它们不是。所以我觉得只有 ChatGPT。

13:20-13:27 - Researcher: Okay, so just ChatGPT for AI. And you mentioned you're paying $9.99 a month for it—is that a monthly subscription that renews automatically? - 好的，AI 方面只有 ChatGPT。你提到每月付 9.99 美元——那是自动续订的月度订阅吗？

13:30-13:41 - Clara Brooks: See, I think that's what I'm paying. But I honestly don't know. I might be paying that or it might have been, like, a yearly subscription, but I do think it's nine ninety nine a month, and it it's an automatic renewal. - 瞧，我觉得我付的是这个数。但我真的不知道。可能是这种，也可能是一次性付了一年的，但我确实觉得是 9.99 一个月，而且是自动续费。

13:44-13:55 - Researcher: No worries! When you have a chance, you could check, but for now let's go with that estimate. So if ChatGPT is your only AI subscription, that means you're spending around $10 a month total on AI products, right? - 没事！你有空可以查查，现在我们先按这个预估值来。如果 ChatGPT 是你唯一的 AI 订阅，意味着你每月在 AI 产品上大约花费 10 美元，对吗？

13:56-13:57 - Clara Brooks: Yes. Yes. - 是的，是的。

13:59-14:13 - Researcher: Perfect. Now I'm curious about your journey from free to paid. You mentioned you hit the daily limit while working on the Daisy project and decided to pay right then. How long had you been using the free version before that happened? Was it days, weeks, or longer? - 太好了。现在我很好奇你从免费转向付费的过程。你提到在做 Daisy 项目时碰到了每日上限，于是当时决定付费。在那之前你用了多久的免费版？是几天、几周还是更久？

14:31-15:06 - Clara Brooks: It was days because you know, I start the first thing I did was with it was try to you know, create this image with Daisy. I didn't honestly realize that ChatGPT was not intended for images because some friends of mine said that they had been able to create a logo using ChatGPT. So I thought, well, I'll go for it. Then after talking to some people, they were like, well, that's not really where ChatGPT, you know, is at its best, and that's why I had run into so many problems. By then, I had completed the project. So I hit that daily limit probably in my first couple of days, and I was really frustrated But I kind of I kept trying, and I kept hitting that limit. So it was maybe it was a week or so into it that I finally said, fine. I'll pay for it. - 只有几天。因为我开始做的第一件事就是尝试用它生成 Daisy 的图像。老实说，我当时并不知道 ChatGPT 最初并不是为了图像设计的，因为我的一些朋友说他们能用 ChatGPT 设计 Logo。所以我想：那我也试试。后来和一些人聊了聊，他们说那并不是 ChatGPT 最擅长的领域，这也是为什么我遇到了这么多问题。到那时我已经完成了项目。所以我可能在最初几天内就碰到了每日限制，我真的很沮丧。但我一直在尝试，一直碰到限制。所以大约过了一个星期左右，我终于决定：好吧，我付钱。

15:07-15:23 - Researcher: So within a week you were already paying—that's pretty fast! It sounds like the frustration of hitting the limit while you were in the middle of something was the main trigger. Once you paid and got unlimited access, did that change how you used it? Like, did you start using it for different things beyond images? - 不到一周就付费了——那挺快的！听起来在忙正事时遇到限制带来的挫败感是主要的导火索。一旦你付费并获得了无限制使用权，你的使用方式改变了吗？比如，除了图像，你开始用它做别的事情了吗？

15:24-16:51 - Clara Brooks: Yes. So that's when I started using it to help me create text. Like, you know, that's when I realized, wow. This thing can help me write better. Porque I've always had the criticism that I write well, but I but I say too much. And so in the in doing that and in seeing how it shortens my, you know, long like, I give it four paragraphs and it turns it into two. It's actually helped me in my writing. So I actually think it's a value add for me. So I hadn't done that before. Like I said, I initially was just like, I'm gonna use it create an image because I thought that that was one of the things that it did great. So yeah. And then I've also used it to uh, recently. I've I've used it to ask questions about current events. And find out what it thinks about what actually happened. This is particularly in relation to city council and events here in Indianapolis because I live in Indianapolis. So I've asked it to tell me, you know, what actually happened in this event. And you know, give me the breakdown so that I can have, like, a, like, a bulleted points so I can explain it to friends. - 是的。那就是我开始用它帮我处理文本的时候。就在那时我意识到，哇，这东西能帮我写得更好。因为我总被批评说虽然写得好但太啰嗦。通过看它如何缩短我的、比如我给它四个段落，它能变成两个。这实际上对我的写作也有帮助。所以我认为它对我来说是一种价值提升。我以前没这么干过。就像我说的，最初我只是想：“我要用它生成图像”，因为我以为那是它的强项。所以，是的。最近我还用它来问一些关于时事的问题。看它对实际发生的事情有什么看法。这尤其是关于印第安纳波利斯市议会和活动的，因为我就住在印第安纳波利斯。我会请它告诉我那个活动中到底发生了什么，给我列出要点，这样我就可以解释给朋友们听。

17:07-17:27 - Researcher: That's interesting—so you started with images, then discovered text editing was actually more valuable, and now you're also using it to break down complex news events. It sounds like your use has really expanded since you started paying. You mentioned ChatGPT is the only AI product you're paying for. Are there any other AI tools you use for free, or is ChatGPT pretty much your only AI product right now? - 有意思——你从图像开始，然后发现文本编辑更有价值，现在还会用它来分析复杂的新闻事件。听起来你付费后的用途确实扩展了很多。 你提到 ChatGPT 是你唯一付费的 AI 产品。那你还有使用任何免费的 AI 工具吗？还是说现在 ChatGPT 基本上就是你唯一的 AI 产品？

17:31-17:50 - Clara Brooks: Well, like I said, with Google, you know, I think that has its Google Assistant is AI based, but I only use it when I'm online and then, you know, Google I I search images a lot. For my work or for my retro Thanksgiving stuff. I believe that that's AI based, but I don't pay for that. So I don't think that I'm using any other AI products right now. And to be honest with you, I'm not super familiar what other AI products there are. - 就像我说的，我觉得 Google Assistant 是基于 AI 的，但我只在上网时用它。还有，我会经常搜索图像，为了我的工作或是搜集复古感恩节的东西。我相信那是基于 AI 的，但我不需要付钱。所以我认为目前没有使用其他 AI 产品。老实说，我不太熟悉还有哪些其他的 AI 产品。

17:51-18:11 - Researcher: That's totally fair. So ChatGPT is really your main AI tool, and Google Assistant is just something you use occasionally when you're searching. Let me ask about the payment setup. You're paying monthly for ChatGPT and it auto-renews. If you could choose your ideal payment model—like monthly, yearly, pay-per-use, or buying credits—what would you prefer? Or is monthly already your ideal? - 完全可以理解。所以 ChatGPT 确实是你的主要 AI 工具，Google Assistant 只是你搜索时偶尔用到的。 我想问一下支付设置。你现在是按月为 ChatGPT 付费并自动续订。如果你可以选择理想的支付模式——比如按月、按年、按次付费或购买点数——你更倾向于哪种？还是说按月目前就是最理想的？

18:15-18:37 - Clara Brooks: If the yearly uh, now that I use it, and I know what I'm that I it's a value for me, if the yearly payment was less than paying monthly, I would buy an annual subscription. But given that it's again, I just don't even I need to look into this stuff better. So right now, the monthly is fine for me. - 既然我现在已经在用它，而且知道它对我很有价值，如果按年支付比按月支付便宜，我会买年费订阅。但既然现在，唉，我还是需要去研究一下这些东西。所以目前按月对我也行。

18:39-18:55 - Researcher: So you'd switch to yearly if it saved you money, but monthly works fine for now since you're not even totally sure what you're paying. That makes sense! Here's a fun one: if you were to describe ChatGPT's role in your life using a metaphor—like a job title, a family role, or even a character—what would it be? - 所以如果能省钱你会切换到按年，但目前按月也可以，因为你甚至还没完全搞清楚自己在付多少钱。有道理！ 这个问题很有趣：如果你要用隐喻来描述 ChatGPT 在你生活中的角色——比如一个职位名称、一个家庭成员角色甚至是一个虚构角色——会是什么？

19:12-19:19 - Clara Brooks: It would be I I don't wanna say it's a it's definitely not a friend or a family member. I would say it's like a colleague who I can go to and use as a resource and and throw ideas off of and and work through questions and problems with. - 它会是，我不想说它——它绝对不是朋友或家人。我会说它像一个同事，我可以找它作为资源，向它抛出想法，并和它一起解决问题。

19:21-19:41 - Researcher: A colleague you can bounce ideas off of—I like that. It's professional, useful, but not personal. Last question for this section: thinking about all the different tools you use—ChatGPT for text and images, Adobe Express and PhotoGrid for photos, Google for search—how do they all fit together in your workflow? Like, who does what, and is there any overlap or do they each have their own lane? - 一个可以交流想法的同事——我喜欢这个比喻。它很专业、有用，但不带私人感情。 这一部分的最后一个问题：想想你使用的所有不同工具——ChatGPT 处理文字和图像，Adobe Express 和 PhotoGrid 处理照片，Google 用于搜索——它们在你的工作流程中是如何组合的？比如，谁负责什么？有重叠吗，还是各司其职？

19:57-21:12 - Clara Brooks: So Adobe Express and Photo Grid for photos, I use those to edit images of, for example, my my retro figurines. And then also for dog rescue, to edit images, to remove backgrounds, to the quality of images. Lots of times, fosters will send us pictures of the dogs and they're grainy or something. And then I also use PhotoGrid to, you know, obviously, to create a grid of photos of the dog so that we can put those out and post the dog for adoption. And people will see several photos of the dog. And then so those two I use together. And then Google for search is something I use I would say, just all by itself. I take a picture, I search for it, and then I've found something similar, I just go and you usually, it's on eBay or something. And I find, you know, what that object is selling for or I find out more information about the object. But then ChatGPT, again, is also separate. Because I use it I I haven't used it for many photos. Since using it for the daisy project because it really has it really was kind of annoying. I've used it for a couple of very simple photos. Like, I gave it a picture of a daisy, I asked it to stylize, um, the actual daisy flower. And it did that quite easily. But I um, ChatGPT again, ChatGPT is in its own lane. - 照片方面用 Adobe Express 和 Photo Grid，我用它们来编辑我的复古雕像照片。还有狗类救援中编辑图像、移除背景、提高图像质量。很多时候，寄养家庭发给我们的狗的照片很模糊。我还会用 PhotoGrid 制作狗狗的照片拼图，这样我们发布领养信息时，人们能一次看到狗狗的好几张照片。所以这两个是一起用的。Google 搜索是我独立使用的，拍张照片，搜索一下，找到类似的东西，通常是在 eBay 之类的地方，看看那件物品卖多少钱，或者了解更多信息。但 ChatGPT 又是独立的。自从 Daisy 项目之后我就没怎么用它处理过照片了，因为真的有点烦人。我也试过几张非常简单的照片，比如我给它一张雏菊（Daisy）的照片，让它把真正的雏菊花进行艺术化处理。那个它完成得挺轻松。但，ChatGPT 还是在它自己的赛道上。

21:15-21:37 - Researcher: So they're all pretty separate—PhotoGrid and Adobe Express work together for dog rescue and retro figurines, Google is its own thing for research, and ChatGPT is off doing its own thing mostly with text now. Got it. You mentioned ChatGPT is in its own lane. If you think about your overall digital toolkit—all these subscriptions and tools you pay for—where does ChatGPT rank in terms of importance or value to you compared to the others? - 所以它们都分得挺开——PhotoGrid 和 Adobe Express 配合用于救援和复古雕像，Google 用于调研，ChatGPT 则是它自己的一套，现在主要处理文本。明白了。 你提到 ChatGPT 在它自己的赛道上。如果你思考你的整个数字工具箱——所有这些你付过费的订阅和工具——你认为 ChatGPT 的重要性或价值在你心中排在什么位置？

21:49-22:13 - Clara Brooks: Um, I would say that let me think. In terms of what I do, PhotoGrid and Adobe Express are essential. And ChatGPT, if I didn't have it, I could live without it. But I really like having it. So I'd say it's I wouldn't say it's like it's not fourth or something, but it it it's something that I could live without. I lived without it for fifty years, I could live without it now, but I really like having it. - 嗯，让我想想。就我的工作内容而言，PhotoGrid 和 Adobe Express 是不可或缺的。而 ChatGPT，如果没有它，我也能生活。但我真的很喜欢拥有它。所以我不会说它排到第四什么的，但它是那种我可以没有的东西。我没有它也活了五十年了，现在没有它也能活，但我真的很喜欢它。

22:15-22:31 - Researcher: That's really honest—it's nice to have, adds value, but PhotoGrid and Adobe Express are the essentials. So ChatGPT is more of a "really like" than a "can't live without." Let me ask about how you first found out about ChatGPT. Where did you hear about it? Was it from friends, social media, news, or somewhere else? - 这是大实话——它很好用，能增加价值，但 PhotoGrid 和 Adobe Express 才是生活必需。所以 ChatGPT 更多是“非常喜欢”，而不是“离不开”。 关于你是如何第一次知道 ChatGPT 的。你从哪里听说的？是朋友、社交媒体、新闻还是其他地方？

22:37-23:46 - Clara Brooks: Well, I'd heard about it on the news. But you know, I'd heard also a lot about, you know, AI being potentially something that could be used for negative purposes. I'd heard about how kids get into AI stuff and it being a problem. My degree my my graduate degree is in ethics, so I wanted to learn more about AI that way. So I hadn't used ChatGPT or purchased any AI product. But then I heard about it from friends again for the Daisy project. So I was like, well, I'll give it a try. And then you know, kind of once I did, I realized that I, as an adult, have the ability to control it. So I've found that for example, when I'm asking questions and, you know, I'll say, you know, I want you to shorten this and make it briefer, it will do that. And then it will say, would you like me to make this funnier? Or I could do this or I could do that. And kinda tries to draw you in, and it can do that. But and I can see how kids would get that. But as an adult, I have the ability to say, nope. That's good. That's all I wanted. Thank you. So I heard about it from friends. - 嗯，我是在新闻上听说的。但你也知道，我也听到了很多关于 AI 可能会被用于负面用途的说法。我听说过孩子们怎么深陷 AI 麻烦之类的。我的研究生学位是伦理学，所以我想从那个层面多了解一下 AI。但我当时还没用过 ChatGPT，也没买过任何 AI 产品。后来我听朋友说起它在 Daisy 项目那样的用途。所以我想：好吧，那我就试一试。一旦我开始用了，我就意识到，作为一个成年人，我有能力控制它。比如当我问问题时，我会说“我想让你缩短这个，简练一点”，它会照做，然后会说“你想让它更有趣一点吗？”或者“我可以做这个那个”。它想吸引你投入，它确实能做到。我也能理解孩子们为什么会被吸引。但作为成年人，我有能力说：“不，这样就行了。这就是我想要的。谢谢。” 所以我是从朋友那里听说的。

23:48-23:49 - Researcher: So you'd - 所以你

23:49-23:50 - Clara Brooks: That was more than you asked. - 我回答得比你问的还多。

23:52-24:25 - Researcher: No, that's perfect! So news first made you aware, but friends recommending it for the Daisy project is what actually got you to try it. That's the key moment. Now, thinking back to when you decided to pay for ChatGPT—you hit that daily limit and were frustrated. Looking at these reasons, which ones match why you paid? ① You needed to unlock the usage limit ② You wanted access to better models ③ You hit a specific need or limitation and had to pay ④ It was essential for work or study ⑤ To make money directly ⑥ You just thought it was good and wanted to support it ⑦ There was a discount or trial ending ⑧ Curiosity or novelty Which of those fit? - 不，这很完美！所以是新闻先让你有了认知，但朋友推荐它是处理 Daisy 项目的工具，才促使你真正去尝试。那是关键时刻。 现在，回想一下你决定为 ChatGPT 付费的时候——你遇到了每日限制并感到沮丧。看看下面这些理由，哪些符合你当时付费的原因？ ① 你需要解锁使用限额 ② 你想要访问更好的模型 ③ 你遇到了特定的需求或限制，不得不付钱 ④ 这对工作或学习至关重要 ⑤ 为了直接赚钱 ⑥ 你只是觉得它很好，想支持它 ⑦ 有折扣或试用即将结束 ⑧ 出于好奇或新鲜感 哪些符合？

24:33-24:38 - Clara Brooks: I would say I number it's number one or number three because those seem to me to be the same. - 我会选第一项或第三项，在我看来这两项是一回事。

24:40-24:55 - Researcher: You're right, they do overlap! So it was really about hitting that wall—you needed to keep using it and the free version wasn't enough. Was there any part of number six in there too, like you thought it was actually good and worth supporting? Or was it purely "I need this to work right now"? - 你说得对，它们确实有重叠！所以主要是因为“撞墙”了——你需要继续使用，而免费版不够用了。这里面有第六项的成分吗，比如你觉得它真的很好、值得支持？还是纯粹因为“我现在需要它能干活”？

25:13-25:22 - Clara Brooks: I don't think of it as quite worth supporting as, like, a as, like, a a nonprofit organization or something like that. They're making plenty of money. So, no, I didn't think it was, like, a something that I should you know, be out there supporting. I'm sure they're doing fine financially, and yeah, they don't need my money. - 我不觉得它像非营利组织那样值得我去支持。他们赚了很多钱。所以不，我不觉得这是什么我应该特意去支持的东西。我相信他们在财务上做得很好，是的，他们不需要我的钱。

25:24-25:48 - Researcher: Fair enough—so it was purely practical. You hit the limit, needed to keep going, so you paid. Not about supporting the company at all. Here's my next question: I want to understand what factors matter most when you're deciding whether to pay for an AI product. I'll list some factors, and you can rate each one from 1 to 5—where 1 means it doesn't matter at all, and 5 means it's super important. Ready? First one: functionality—like - 说得通——所以纯粹是务实考量。你遇到了限制，需要继续操作，所以你付了钱。完全不是为了支持那家公司。 接下来的问题是：我想了解当你决定是否为一款 AI 产品付费时，哪些因素最重要。我会列出一些因素，请你为每一个打分，1 到 5 分——1 分代表完全不重要，5 分代表超级重要。 准备好了吗？第一个：功能性——比如

25:48-25:48 - Clara Brooks: Mhmm. - 嗯。

25:50-25:55 - Researcher: what features it has and what it can do for you. How important is that, 1 to 5? - 它有什么功能，能为你做什么。重要性是 1 到 5 分？

25:57-26:00 - Clara Brooks: Wait. Tell me again. Is one the most important or five the most important? - 等等，再跟我说一遍，1 是最重要还是 5 是最重要？

26:01-26:04 - Researcher: 5 is most important, 1 is not - 5 是最重要，1 是完全不

26:04-26:04 - Clara Brooks: Okay. - 好的。

26:06-26:08 - Researcher: important at all. - 重要。

26:10-26:11 - Clara Brooks: Five. - 5 分。

26:12-26:18 - Researcher: Got it, functionality is a 5. Next: how often you use it—does usage frequency matter when deciding to pay? 1 to 5? - 明白了，功能性是 5 分。下一个：你使用它的频率——使用频率会影响你决定付费吗？1 到 5 分？

26:23-26:25 - Clara Brooks: I would say three. - 我会打 3 分。

26:27-26:33 - Researcher: Okay, 3 for usage frequency. Next: value for money or cost-effectiveness—like whether the price feels worth what you're getting. 1 to 5? - 好的，频率 3 分。下一个：性价比或成本效益——即价格是否让你觉得物有所值。1 到 5 分？

26:37-26:37 - Clara Brooks: Five. - 5 分。

26:39-26:43 - Researcher: 5 for value. Next one: ease of use—how simple and intuitive it is to use. 1 to 5? - 性价比 5 分。下一个：易用性——它使用起来有多简单直观。1 到 5 分？

26:48-26:49 - Clara Brooks: Four. - 4 分。

26:51-26:57 - Researcher: 4 for ease of use. Next: effectiveness—like does it actually work well and give you the results you need? 1 to 5? - 易用性 4 分。下一个：效果——即它是否真的运行良好，能给你所需的结果？1 到 5 分？

27:01-27:02 - Clara Brooks: Five. - 5 分。

27:03-27:09 - Researcher: 5 for effectiveness. Next: uniqueness—whether it does something no other tool can do, or if there are alternatives. 1 to 5? - 效果 5 分。最后一个：独特性——它是能做到其他工具做不到的事，还是有其他替代方案。1 到 5 分？

27:13-27:17 - Clara Brooks: I guess now I know that that's not the only tool, so I would say two. - 我想我现在知道那不是唯一的工具了，所以我会说是 2 分。

27:19-27:25 - Researcher: 2 for uniqueness since you know there are alternatives. Last one: output quality—how good the final results are. 1 to 5? - 由于你知道有替代方案，所以独特性给 2 分。最后一个：输出质量——最终结果有多好。1 到 5 分选几分？

27:29-27:29 - Clara Brooks: Four. - 4 分。

27:31-27:41 - Researcher: So you gave 5s to functionality, value for money, and effectiveness. If you had to pick just one of those three as the absolute most critical factor when deciding to pay, which would it be? - 所以你给功能性、性价比和有效性都打了 5 分。如果必须从这三个因素中选出一个作为决定付费时绝对最关键的因素，你会选哪个？

27:44-27:45 - Clara Brooks: Functionality. - 功能性。

27:47-28:02 - Researcher: Functionality—so what it can actually do for you is the dealbreaker. That makes sense given how you described needing it to shorten text and handle specific tasks. Now, price question: for an AI product with a monthly subscription, what's the maximum amount you'd be willing to pay per month? - 功能性——所以它实际上能为你做什么是决定性的因素。考虑到你描述的需要它来缩短文本和处理特定任务，这很有道理。 现在，关于价格的问题：对于一个按月订阅的 AI 产品，你每月愿意支付的最高金额是多少？

28:15-28:33 - Clara Brooks: I think that that depends what it would do. I like, I think nine ninety nine for the ChatGPT is good for me. If it had some other great things that it could do for me, like, it could do the things that Adobe Express or I'm sorry. Photoshop Express and Photo Grid are currently doing, and I could wrap all that up into one thing. I'd be willing to pay twenty dollars a month. - 我认为这取决于它能做什么。我觉得 ChatGPT 的 9.99 美元对我来说很合适。如果它能为我做一些其他很棒的事情，比如它可以完成 Adobe Express 或者抱歉是 Photoshop Express 和 Photo Grid 目前正在做的事情，而我可以把所有这些都整合到一起。我愿意每月支付 20 美元。

28:36-28:53 - Researcher: So $9.99 feels right for what ChatGPT does now, but you'd go up to $20 if it replaced multiple tools and consolidated your workflow. That's super helpful. Two final price questions: First, if there's a new AI product you haven't tried yet but you're curious about, how cheap would it need to be for you to actually give it a shot? - 所以对于 ChatGPT 目前的功能，$9.99 感觉很合适，但如果它能取代多个工具并整合你的工作流程，你会愿意出到 $20。这非常有帮助。 最后两个价格问题：首先，如果有一个你还没试过但很好奇的新 AI 产品，它需要便宜到什么程度你才会实际去尝试一下？

28:56-29:00 - Clara Brooks: I would need there to be a free, uh, trial period. - 我需要有一个，呃，免费试用期。

29:02-29:11 - Researcher: Got it—so you wouldn't pay upfront at all, you'd need to test it free first. And how long would that trial need to be for you to really figure out if it's worth paying for? - 明白了——所以你根本不会预先付费，你需要先免费测试。那么，这个试用期需要多长，你才能真正确定它是否值得付费？

29:13-29:17 - Clara Brooks: Just seven days. I would I would use it a lot during that time and figure it out. - 只要七天。在那段时间里我会经常使用它并弄清楚。

29:21-30:09 - Researcher: Perfect, a week is enough for you to really put it through its paces. --- Alright, we've finished all the sections—the interview is complete! Here are my key takeaways: You're a pragmatic user who pays for tools that solve specific problems. ChatGPT is nice to have for making your writing concise, but it's not essential like your photo editing tools for dog rescue and retro figurines. You hit the paywall and subscribed purely out of necessity, not loyalty. Functionality and effectiveness matter most to you—you want tools that actually work and deliver clear value for the price. You're willing to pay more if something consolidates your workflow, but you need a free trial before committing to anything new. Thank you so much for your time and honesty today! How did this AI-powered interview feel for you? And since you completed the full interview, you'll receive the incentive reward. Feel free to close the website or hang up whenever you're ready! - 完美，一周的时间足够让你真正对它进行全面测试了。 --- 好了，我们已经完成了所有板块——采访结束了！ 以下是我的核心总结：你是一个务实的用户，只为能解决具体问题的工具付费。ChatGPT 对你来说是一个让写作更简洁的不错工具，但它不像你用于狗狗救援和复古玩偶业务的照片编辑工具那样不可或缺。你是因为遇到了付费墙且出于纯粹的需求才订阅的，而不是出于忠诚度。功能性和有效性对你来说最重要——你想要的工具是真正管用且能体现其价格对应价值的。如果某种工具能整合你的工作流程，你愿意支付更多费用，但在投入任何新产品之前，你需要先进行免费试用。 非常感谢你今天的参与和坦诚！这次 AI 驱动的访谈感觉如何？由于你完成了完整的访谈，你将获得奖励金。准备好后，请随时关闭网页或挂断！

30:24-30:29 - Clara Brooks: The interview was interesting because obviously, this was AI powered as well. And so it was very responsive to my questions. And it's just so interesting how AI has so quickly you know, become such an easy tool to work with. You know? So it was great. - 这次访谈很有趣，因为显然这本身也是由 AI 驱动的。所以它对我的问题的反应非常灵敏。而 AI 如此迅速地变成这样一个易于使用的工具，这真的很有趣，你懂吗？所以这感觉很棒。

30:31-30:59 - Researcher: I really appreciate that—and I love the meta moment of using AI to talk about AI! It's wild how quickly it's become conversational and responsive, right? Thank you again for sharing so openly about your experiences, from the frustrating Pointer project to how you've carved out a practical role for ChatGPT in your life. Your insights about needing free trials, valuing functionality over novelty, and being willing to pay more for consolidation—all of that is incredibly valuable. Best of luck with the dog rescue work and your retro figurine business. Take care! - 我非常感激你的评价——我也很喜欢这种用 AI 来讨论 AI 的“元时刻”！它变得如此具有对话性和响应性，这种速度确实惊人，对吧？ 再次感谢你如此公开地分享你的经历，从令人沮丧的 Pointer 项目到你如何在生活中为 ChatGPT 建立起务实的角色。你关于需要免费试用、看重功能性胜过新奇感，以及愿意为整合方案支付更多费用的见解——所有这些都非常有价值。 祝你的狗狗救援工作和复古玩偶生意一切顺利。保重！

30:59-30:59 - Clara Brooks: Thank you. - 谢谢。