00:02-00:25 - Researcher: Hey there! 👋 I'm Trooly, and I'm really excited to chat with you today. This interview will take about 60 minutes, and we'll be exploring your thoughts and experiences around AI tools and services in a pretty relaxed, conversational way. Before we get started, could you please give me a brief self-introduction? I'd love to get to know you a bit better. For example, you could tell me your age, occupation, and hobbies — or anything else you think would help me understand you better. - 嘿，你好！👋 我是 Trooly，非常兴奋今天能和你聊天。这次访谈大约需要 60 分钟，我们将以一种非常轻松、对话的方式，探讨你对 AI 工具和服务的看法及使用经验。 在开始之前，你能先做一个简单的自我介绍吗？我想多了解你一点。比如，你可以告诉我你的年龄、职业和爱好——或者任何你认为能帮我更好了解你的信息。

00:26-00:28 - Chelsea: Sixty minute tool? Oh my god. - 60分钟的工具调研？噢我的天哪。

00:30-00:46 - Researcher: Haha, I totally get it — 60 minutes sounds like a lot! But honestly, it'll fly by. We're just going to have a casual conversation, no pressure at all. Think of it more like chatting with a friend about your experiences. So, how about that quick intro? Tell me a bit about yourself — whatever you're comfortable sharing! - 哈哈，我完全理解——60 分钟听起来确实挺长的！但老实说，时间会过得很快。我们只是进行一场随意的交谈，完全没有压力。把它想象成和朋友聊天分享经验就好。 那么，来个快速介绍怎么样？谈谈你自己——分享任何你觉得自在的内容！

00:53-01:05 - Chelsea: Yeah. So I'm Chelsea. I live in Illinois. I have two dogs. And a husband. We live in rural Illinois. - 好的。我是 Chelsea。我住在伊利诺伊州。我有两只狗。还有一个丈夫。我们住在伊利诺伊州的农村地区。

01:06-01:14 - Researcher: Nice to meet you, Chelsea! Rural Illinois with two dogs sounds lovely. What kind of dogs do you have? And what do you do for work, if you don't mind me asking? - 很高兴认识你，Chelsea！住在伊利诺伊州农村，还有两只狗，听起来很惬意。你养的是什么品种的狗？ 另外，如果你不介意我问的话，你的工作是什么？

01:17-01:35 - Chelsea: Yeah. I have a lab-shepherd mix and a Great Dane. And then I'm a digital design specialist for Apex Leisure Group, a outdoor adventure resort industry who also does leisure & travel and ancillary, like food and beverage. - 好的。我有一只拉布拉多牧羊犬混血和一只大丹犬。我是 Apex Leisure Group 的数字设计专家，这是一家户外探险度假村公司，同时也经营休闲旅游及餐饮等配套业务。

01:36-01:49 - Researcher: Oh wow, a lab-shepherd mix and a Great Dane — that's quite the combo! I bet the Great Dane is huge. Digital design specialist for Apex Leisure Group sounds really cool, especially with all the visual branding around ski culture. How long have you been doing that? - 哇，拉布拉多牧羊犬混血和大丹犬——这组合太棒了！我猜那只大丹犬一定很大。 Apex Leisure Group 的数字设计专家听起来非常酷，尤其是考虑到滑雪文化中所有的视觉品牌设计。你做这份工作多久了？

01:49-01:52 - Chelsea: I've been doing it for about eight years. - 我已经做了大约八年了。

01:54-02:20 - Researcher: Eight years, that's solid! You must have seen a lot of changes in the design world during that time. Alright, so here's what we're doing today: I'm really interested in learning about your experiences with AI tools — how you use them, what you think about them, just your honest perspective. There's absolutely no right or wrong answers here. I'm just genuinely curious about your story and want you to feel free to share whatever comes to mind, even if it feels messy or contradictory. Sound good to jump in? - 八年了，资历很深厚啊！这段时间里你一定见证了设计界的很多变化。 好了，这是我们今天的计划：我非常有兴趣了解你使用 AI 工具的经验——你如何使用它们，你怎么看待它们，只需要你最真实的观点。这里绝对没有对错之分。我只是纯粹好奇你的故事，希望你能畅所欲言，哪怕是零散或矛盾的想法也没关系。 准备好开始了吗？

02:22-02:23 - Chelsea: Yeah. - 准备好了。

02:25-02:31 - Researcher: Awesome! So let's start with the basics — do you currently use any AI tools, either for work or in your personal life? - 太棒了！让我们从最基础的开始——你目前在工作或个人生活中会使用 AI 工具吗？

02:35-04:46 - Chelsea: I use AI tools for both work and for personal life, So for work, I use, um, a good mix I use ChatGPT for general, um, searching. Sometimes I do headline brainstorming. Um, sometimes I use it if I'm having trouble coding something correctly or just general help with something a little more technical. I am supposed to be using a Microsoft Copilot for more, um, brand oriented stuff, so I'm not putting important or sensitive information out into the regular ethos. And then I've recently used the CodeDraft app to code a like, a tool online to help me code our display ads, which are run on basic HTML and inline CSS. I created that so I could, like, change the top and bottom padding of HTML the color. Um, it's all, like, about a, like, copy. Overlay. So it's something I've been doing like, hand coding myself, but this allows me to kinda spit out the correct HTML that I need to input into display ads. And then for personal, it's a it's a mix of everything from financial, legal, I use it just in general thoughts. Um, I do use it for tax prep kind of questions. Um, just stuff that is a little more in-depth than a normal Google search that needs a little more, um, intuition. And thought. Um, and then I also forgot, um, for work, I use, Photoshop generative AI for stretching a border beyond like, making it fit a certain size and make it look good. But I have to be careful about that. With image generation because in the outdoor adventure industry, you have to be careful about generating images because people know when a mountain range is incorrect. People know and will call it out in marketing, so we have to be a little more careful about that. So I try to keep it with just, like, snow extension or sky extension and not like landscape extension unless it's, like, just trees. - 我在工作和个人生活中都会用到 AI 工具。工作方面，我会混合使用。我用 ChatGPT 进行常规搜索，有时会进行标题头脑风暴。如果我在正确编写代码时遇到困难，或者需要一些更具技术性的通用帮助，我也会用它。按要求我应该使用 Microsoft Copilot 处理更多品牌导向的内容，这样我才不会把重要或敏感信息泄露到常规的网络环境中。最近我也在使用 CodeDraft 应用来编写一个类似在线辅助工具的东西，帮我为展示广告编写代码，这些广告是基于基础 HTML 和内联 CSS 运行的。我创建这个工具是为了能修改 HTML 的上下间距和颜色。这主要和文案覆盖层（copy overlay）有关。以前这些都是我自己手动编写代码，但现在通过这个工具，我可以快速生成需要输入到展示广告中的正确 HTML。个人生活方面，从财务到法律，我会在各种场景下使用它来整理思路。我会用它咨询一些税务筹备类的问题，就是那些比普通的 Google 搜索更深入、需要更多直觉和思考的内容。哦，我还忘了，工作上我还会用 Photoshop 的生成式 AI，用于在调整特定尺寸时延伸边框并确保视觉效果良好。但我在这方面必须很小心。对于图像生成，在户外探险行业，生成图像必须要谨慎，因为人们能看出来山脉的走向是否正确。人们会发现并会在营销活动中指出来，所以我们必须更加小心。因此，我尽量只推延雪地、天空或树木，而不是整个景观的生成。

04:48-05:09 - Researcher: Wow, that's a really wide range of uses! I love how you've built that custom tool with CodeDraft for the display ads — that sounds like it saves you a ton of time on repetitive coding. Let me dig into the work side first. You mentioned you use ChatGPT for "general searching" — can you walk me through a specific example of the last time you did that? Like, what were you looking for and why did you choose ChatGPT over just Googling it? - 哇，用途真的很广泛！我很喜欢你用 CodeDraft 为展示广告构建自定义工具的想法——听起来这能帮你省去大量重复的代码编写时间。 让我先深入了解一下工作方面。你提到你用 ChatGPT 进行“常规搜索”——你能跟我分享一个你最近这样做的具体例子吗？比如，你当时在找什么，为什么选择 ChatGPT 而不是直接谷歌搜索？

05:21-05:55 - Chelsea: Yeah. So before I found CodeDraft and was able to code that development tool, I used ChatGPT to try to figure out how to bridge the gap between Figma and then HTML. So I was asking it questions of, like, can you recommend a plug in that I could use in HTML in Figma to spit out the correct HTML? It did try pretty well and kinda got close, but, unfortunately, um, the HTML that we need with inline CSS is a little more niche. It's more basic than most of the plugins would spit out. So I kinda had to abandon that and kinda look elsewhere. But I did use it to try to, like, troubleshoot and try to bridge that gap. - 好的。在我发现 CodeDraft 并能编写那个开发工具之前，我曾使用 ChatGPT 试图找出如何弥补 Figma 和 HTML 之间的差距。我问它：你能推荐一个我可以在 HTML 环境或 Figma 中使用的插件来生成正确的 HTML 吗？它的尝试还算不错，已经很接近了，但遗憾的是，我们需要的那种带有内联 CSS 的 HTML 比较小众，比大多数插件生成的都要基础。所以我最后不得不放弃那个方案，去别处寻找。但我确实用它进行了故障排除，并试图弥补那个技术缺口。

05:57-06:21 - Researcher: Got it, so you were trying to solve a pretty specific technical problem — finding a way to get simpler, inline CSS HTML out of Figma. ChatGPT got you partway there but couldn't quite nail the niche requirement you had. That's really helpful context. Now I want to understand your work a bit more deeply. You mentioned you're a digital design specialist at Apex Leisure Group — what are your main responsibilities day-to-day? Like, walk me through what a typical workday looks like for you. - 明白了，所以你当时是在尝试解决一个非常具体的技术难题——寻找一种从 Figma 中导出更简单、含内联 CSS 的 HTML 的方法。ChatGPT 帮你完成了一部分，但没能完全满足你那种小众的需求。这个背景信息非常有帮助。 现在我想更深入地了解你的工作。你提到你是 Apex Leisure Group 的数字设计专家——你日常的主要职责是什么？比如，带我了解一下你典型的工作日是怎样的。

06:23-07:51 - Chelsea: Yeah. So I'm a production artist, production designer. So I kinda think of myself as a more, like, technical digital design specialist. So although my role is a designer, I work a lot more in feeds and coding and kinda just the nitty gritty technical side of design. So I do a lot of the coding for, um, display ads. I run the feeds to, you know, create hundreds of ads for each phase. I also handle the paid social, which we utilize, um, Google feeds with AdAutomate and do the kind of the same thing. It's like a Google feed that brings in the info, then we also, um, we build it all in AdAutomate. And then I also, you know, crop hundreds of images for our native ads. I, you know, QA a copy that's going live just for spelling errors and stuff. I also work on out of home boards. So that goes through our main design department, and I'm the one at the end making sure it aligns to specific brand standards because we have forty plus resorts all with different brand standards. Um, I make sure the colors are right, the text is right, and then it generally just makes sense and aligns to technical specs required. So kind of a little of everything and kinda touch a lot of things and kind of, like, the end stage of the design process. - 好的。我是一名制作编排人员、制作设计师。所以我更倾向于认为自己是一个侧重技术的数字设计专家。虽然我的头衔是设计师，但我更多地处理 Feed 流、编码以及设计中那些琐碎的技术环节。我负责大量展示广告的编码工作。我通过 Feed 流运行，为每个阶段创建成百上千个广告。我还负责付费社交媒体，我们会利用 Google 结合 AdAutomate 来做同样的事情。就是通过 Google Feed 导入信息，然后我们在 AdAutomate 中完成全部构建。此外，我还要为原生广告裁剪数以百计的图片。我会对即将上线的文案进行质量检查（QA），检查拼写错误之类。我还负责户外广告牌的工作。这些内容会经过我们的主设计部门，而我是最后一个环节，负责确保其符合特定的品牌标准，因为我们拥有 40 多个度假村，每个都有不同的品牌标准。我要确保颜色准确、文字无误，并且整体逻辑通顺，符合所需的技术规范。总之，我什么都参与一点，接触的东西很多，处于设计流程的最后阶段。

07:53-08:13 - Researcher: That makes so much sense — you're like the quality control and technical execution layer at the end of the creative pipeline. With 40+ resorts and different brand standards, that sounds like a lot of detail-oriented work. When you say a typical day, are you mostly working solo going through these tasks, or are you constantly collaborating with other designers and teams? How does your day actually flow? - 这就说得通了——你就像创意流水线末端的质量控制和技术执行层。面对 40 多个度假村和不同的品牌标准，这听起来确实是项非常注重细节的工作。 你说典型的一天时，你主要是独自完成这些任务，还是经常与其他设计师和团队协作？你一天的工作流实际上是怎样运作的？

08:31-08:45 - Chelsea: So day to day, it is just me working solo. I handle all of the paid social, all the all the natives, most of the go to market assets. Sometimes during busier seasons, we have a freelancer or two that helps me, you know, just do the general stuff. But, um, it's really hard to teach people in all the processes that I have. So I'm kind of the person that handles most of it, and they're just doing you know, cropping or creative development, finding, um, pictures and you know, grabbing links and stuff. - 在日常工作中，我基本上是独立完成的。我处理所有的付费社交广告、原生广告以及大部分的上市资产。有时在忙季，我们会请一两个自由职业者来帮我处理一些常规事务。但是，要把我所有的流程都教给其他人真的很困难。所以我基本上是处理大部分核心工作的人，而他们只是做一些裁剪图片、辅助创意开发、找图或是整理链接之类的事情。

08:47-09:12 - Researcher: So you're essentially a one-person production machine handling a massive volume of work across multiple channels. That context really helps me understand why you've been experimenting with AI tools to automate things like the HTML coding. If you don't mind me asking, what's your main source of income? Is it just your salary from Apex Leisure Group, or do you have other income streams? And if you're comfortable sharing, what's the ballpark range of your monthly income? Totally fine if you'd rather not say. - 所以你本质上是一个单人制作机器，负责处理跨多个渠道的海量工作。这个背景确实帮我理解了为什么你会尝试用 AI 工具来自动化 HTML 编码。 如果不介意的话，我想问下你的主要收入来源是什么？只是 Apex Leisure Group 的薪水吗，还是还有其他收入流？如果你愿意分享的话，你每月的收入大概在什么范围？如果你不想说也没关系。

09:12-09:52 - Chelsea: Yeah. So my main income is w two with Apex Leisure Group, uh, as a digital design specialist, but I also have some side businesses. I'm a online craft shop owner and earning about probably only, like, a thousand dollars in profit. I do freelance design. Didn't do anything in the past, uh, year, but I have that option. Sometimes I make, like, a thousand or two through that. I also do a lot of research studies, that's almost like a side income as well. But, yeah, I think ballpark well, annual is about seventy two K. So I think that's equals to, like, around five a month five thousand. - 好的。我的主要收入是来自 Apex Leisure Group 的 W-2 工资（正式员工薪资），职位是数字设计专家，但我也有一些副业。我经营一家在线手工制品店，利润大概只有一千美元左右。我也会做一些自由职业设计，过去一年没怎么做，但我有这个选项，有时能挣到一两千美元。我还会参加很多研究调研，这几乎也算是一项副业收入。总的来说，年收入大约是 7.2 万美元。算下来每个月大约是 5000 到 6000 美元左右。

09:54-10:03 - Researcher: Thanks for sharing that, Chelsea — I really appreciate it. So around $5-6k monthly between your W-2 and side hustles. The online craft shop sounds interesting! What do you sell on there? - 谢谢你的分享，Chelsea——我非常感激。所以工资加副业大概是每月 5000-6000 美元。那家在线手工制品店听起来很有趣！你在上面卖什么？

10:04-10:22 - Chelsea: So I, um, sell foraged goods online. I kinda found the niche that buys that kind of stuff. So it's more like holistic nature supplies. So I sell, like, shed bird feathers, dried river clay, specific leaves, and pine cones, kind of whatever I find out in the wild. - 我在网上销售采集来的天然材料。我找到了会买这种东西的小众群体。更多是偏向整体自然风格的材料。我会卖掉落的鸟类羽毛、干燥的河床黏土、特定的叶子和松果，基本上就是我在野外发现的任何东西。

10:24-10:34 - Researcher: That's such a unique niche! I love how specific that is — foraged holistic nature supplies. Do you use any AI tools to help with the online craft shop, like for product descriptions or anything like that? - 真是个非常独特的领域！我喜欢这种细分领域——采集来的整体自然材料。你会用 AI 工具来帮你的手工店做产品描述之类的吗？

10:36-11:03 - Chelsea: I do kinda have a format of descriptions that works well, but I have used, like, ChatGPT in the past to try to find uses for things. I'm not super into that space, so I don't know a ton. If I find something cool in the wild, like a specific thorn or something, I'll kinda use ChatGPT to kinda see if there's any usage out there in, like, the naturalist and holistic communities and kinda put that in my description to make sure my keywords are correct. - 我确实有一套行之有效的描述模板，但我过去曾用过 ChatGPT 来尝试寻找某些物品的用途。我并不是特别深入这个圈子，所以我了解得不算多。如果我在野外发现了一些酷炫的东西，比如某种特别的刺，我会用 ChatGPT 看看在自然主义或整体疗愈社区中是否有相关的用途，然后把这些放入我的描述中，以确保我的关键词是正确的。

11:05-11:22 - Researcher: That's clever — using it to research the cultural and spiritual uses so you can write better descriptions and hit the right keywords. So it's almost like a niche research assistant for you. Do you run any social media accounts, either for your online craft shop, for Apex, or just personal accounts where you're actively posting content? - 真是聪明——利用它来研究文化和精神层面的用途，以便写出更好的描述并命中正确的关键词。所以它对你来说就像一个细分领域的研究助理。 你会运营社交媒体账号吗？不管是为你的手工店、为了 Apex 公司，还是只是活跃发布内容的个人账号？

11:33-11:38 - Chelsea: So for my online craft shop, I have one, but I'm not very active on it. I don't think I've in the past year. And then for Apex, I just kinda create the social content. Um, I don't actually manage the accounts. And then I just have personal accounts, but I'm not super active as well. - 对于我的在线手工店，我有一个账号，但不是很活跃，过去一年都没怎么发过。对于 Apex，我只是负责创作社交媒体内容，实际上并不直接管理账号。然后我有个人账号，但也都不怎么活跃。

11:40-12:02 - Researcher: Got it, so no major social media presence you're managing. That's totally fine! Now let's dive into the AI side more. You've already mentioned a bunch of tools — ChatGPT, Microsoft Copilot, CodeDraft, Photoshop generative AI. Here's the key question: which of these AI tools are you actually paying for? Walk me through each one you pay for, how much it costs, and what the payment model is (like monthly subscription, annual, pay-per-use, etc.). - 明白了，所以你并没有在管理大型的社交媒体。这没关系！ 现在让我们深入探讨 AI 方面。你已经提到了很多工具——ChatGPT、Microsoft Copilot、CodeDraft、Photoshop 生成式 AI。这里有个关键问题：这些 AI 工具中，你目前真正付费使用的是哪些？请带我过一下你付费的每一个工具，费用是多少，以及支付模式是怎样的（比如月订阅、年缴、按次付费等）。

12:43-13:21 - Chelsea: Yeah. So, um, so the free ones I'm on are ChatGPT. Don't pay for a subscription. Microsoft Copilot is paid through my company, so I don't personally pay for it, but it is a paid subscription through them. Photoshop generative AI, again, I don't personally pay for it. It's through my company. They pay for the Adobe subscription that allows, like, credits or whatever. And so it's like a subscription for Adobe, but not for the specific AI component. And then CodeDraft is the one I recently purchased for myself I might get it reimbursed, but I'm not quite sure. Basically, I use, like, the five, prompts that they allowed me in the free tier, and I was seeing a lot of results. And then it kind of stopped me and say, hey. If you need more prompts, here's our subscriptions. And because it was so close to being completed, I'm like, sure. I'll just pay for the monthly. So I think I paid, like, twenty five dollars a month for that option. But I made sure that the tool that I built, um, even if I stop paying for that subscription, is still will still be live once I'm done with that subscription. I just can't, like, change the tool or, like, um, vibe code it anymore. It can only stay the same unless I repay for the subscription. So that's a it's a new one that I paid for. - 好的。我使用的免费版是 ChatGPT，没有付费订阅。Microsoft Copilot 是公司付钱的，所以我个人不花钱，但对公司来说是付费订阅。Photoshop 生成式 AI，同样，我也没个人掏钱，是公司买的 Adobe 全家桶，提供生成额度之类的。代码部分是订阅了 Adobe，而不是专门为 AI 组件付钱。CodeDraft 是我最近刚为自己买的，我可能会去报销，但还不确定。基本上，我用了它在免费层级允许的 5 次提问额度，效果非常好。然后它就停下来对我说：“嘿，如果你需要更多提问额度，请看我们的订阅方案。”因为我当时离完工非常近了，我就想：行吧，那就买个月度会员。我记得我选了每月 25 美元的那档。但我确保了我构建的那个工具，即便我停止订阅，在我完成后它仍然可以一直运行。只是如果我不续费，我就不能再修改那个工具或者用 vibe code（感官代码）方式去調整它了。它只能保持现状。所以这是我目前唯一自费买的新工具。

13:23-13:41 - Researcher: Okay, so just to clarify — the only AI tool you're personally paying for right now is CodeDraft at $25month. ChatGPT you're using the free version, and Copilot and Photoshop AI are covered by your company. Have you ever paid for any other AI tools in the past, even if you're not using them now? Like maybe you tried a ChatGPT Plus subscription or any other AI services? - 好的，确认一下——你目前个人付费的唯一 AI 工具是每月 25 美元的 CodeDraft。ChatGPT 你用的是免费版，Copilot 和 Photoshop AI 由公司承担。 你过去有没有为其他 AI 工具付过费，即使现在没在用了？比如你试过 ChatGPT Plus 订阅或者其他 AI 服务吗？

13:44-14:10 - Chelsea: So I haven't, um, paid for the ChatGPT plus yet, but I have looked into it. I I noticed I run into the the I I've been using it a lot for research purposes, and I've been running into that where you run out of messages or run out of prompts, you gotta wait, like, six hours. So I've thought about it. I think for right now, just, um, with finances, I don't want to have another subscription. So I try to keep one at a time. - 我还没给 ChatGPT Plus 付过费，但我研究过。我发现我经常把它用于研究，然后就会遇到额度用完的情况，或者提问次数达到上限，必须等 6 小时。我想过订阅。但目前考虑到财务状况，我不想再增加一个订阅了。我尽量一次只保留一个订阅。

14:12-14:19 - Researcher: That makes sense — subscription fatigue is real. So when you hit that limit on ChatGPT, what do you do? Do you just wait it out, or do you switch to a different - 理解——订阅疲劳是很普遍的。那么当你达到 ChatGPT 的限制时，你会怎么做？是死等，还是换到另一个工具？

14:44-14:47 - Chelsea: So, normally, I wait it out, especially if it's something I can wait out for. So for ChatGPT, I'll probably just, you know, chill and ask my question after the six hour mark. Or if it's something I actually need immediate help with, I'll switch over to, like, Google and see if they can help me. I don't like Google as much. I've used it briefly, not as much as ChatGPT, so I guess you can add that to my list. But, yeah. So, normally, I'll just wait. - 通常我会死等，尤其是如果那件事不急的话。对于 ChatGPT，我会先去做别的事，6 小时后再去问。如果是确实需要立即帮助的事，我会转向 Google 看看它能不能帮我。我没那么喜欢 Google。我也短暂用过，不像用 ChatGPT 那么多，所以你可以把它加进我的列表里。但通常我就是等着。

14:49-15:08 - Researcher: Got it. So you've dabbled with Google's AI (I'm guessing Gemini?) but prefer ChatGPT's responses. And you're willing to wait rather than pay for now. Beyond CodeDraft, are there any other AI tools you've paid for in the past — even one-time purchases or trials? Like content generation tools, writing assistants, image generators, anything like that? - 明白了。你尝试过 Google 的 AI（我猜是 Gemini？），但更喜欢 ChatGPT 的回答。而且目前你宁愿等待也不愿付费。 除了 CodeDraft，你过去付过费买其他 AI 工具吗——哪怕是一次性购买或试用？比如内容生成工具、写作助手、图像生成器之类的？

15:09-15:12 - Chelsea: Yeah. So right now, that's the only one that I paid for. - 没了。目前这是我唯一付费买过的。

15:17-15:31 - Researcher: Okay, so CodeDraft is your only paid AI tool at the moment. I want to make sure I understand this correctly because it's important for our research: You mentioned you're paying $25month for CodeDraft. Is that the only AI subscription you're currently paying for out of your own pocket? - 好的，所以 CodeDraft 是你目前唯一的付费 AI 工具。 我想确保我理解得准确，因为这对我们的研究很重要：你提到你每月为 CodeDraft 支付 25 美元。这是你目前唯一自掏腰包的 AI 订阅吗？

15:31-15:37 - Chelsea: Yes. CodeDraft is the only AI I am paying out of pocket. Myself. - 是的。CodeDraft 是我唯一自费订阅的 AI。

15:38-15:52 - Researcher: Perfect, thank you for clarifying that. Now I'm curious — you mentioned you recently bought CodeDraft because you were seeing good results in the free tier and needed to finish the tool. Walk me through that decision more. What made you think, "Okay, $25 is worth it" in that moment? - 太好了，谢谢你的澄清。 现在我很好奇——你提到你最近购买 CodeDraft 是因为在免费版中看到了好结果且需要完成那个工具。请带我回顾一下当时的决定过程。是什么让你那一刻觉得“行，25 美元值了”？

15:55-17:13 - Chelsea: So I really did think pretty hard because I don't like paying for subscriptions at all. So I'm a very hard person to crack when it comes to paying for subscriptions. The tool I had built was, like, almost ready to go, and I saw the value in it. So to put it in context, um, like, HTML coding of that copy layer on a display ad takes me sometimes ten hours a week during busy times when I have to code, like, hundreds of ads that way. So I saw that this would vastly, um, cut down on the amount of time I'd have to switch back and forth because my normal process is, like, putting HTML in this, like, GitHub link, GitHub feed and, like, previewing it on another page. And, like, I'd have to keep going back and forth and tweaking it. Being able to, like, see it in the tool change the padding, change the color, actually see it I know it's gonna work. And I even added, like, like, placeholder copies where our CTA is gonna be so I can kinda see it. Um, I'd say it's gonna cut my ten hour time down to, like, maybe an hour or two. So even if you know, Yeah. It's just gonna eight hours of my day can be attributed to something else, and that's just good for my mental health. - 说实话，我当时考虑了很久，因为我非常不喜欢付订阅费。要把我转化成付费用户是非常困难的。但我构建的那个工具已经快要完成了，我看到了它的价值。具体的背景是：那种展示广告文案层的 HTML 编码，在忙的时候我可能一周要花 10 个小时去编几百个广告。我看到这个工具将极大地减少我反复切换的次数。因为我原本的流程是把 HTML 放到 GitHub 链接、GitHub Feed 里，然后在另一个页面预览。我不得不不停地来回微调。现在能在工具里实时看到它，修改间距、修改颜色，所见即所得，我知道它肯定能行。我甚至还添加了 CTA（行动号召按钮）所在位置的占位文案，这样我就能看到效果。我敢说这能把原本 10 小时的工作缩短到 1 或 2 小时。所以哪怕只有 8 个小时的时间能省出来去做别的事，不仅效率提高了，对我的心理健康也很有好处。

17:16-17:43 - Researcher: Wow, so you're talking about saving 8 hours a week — that's huge! That ROI is crystal clear when you put it that way. $25 to get back a full workday is a no-brainer. So you're now in this new section where I want to go really deep on your workproductivity AI tools. Let me start fresh: For work and productivity specifically — things like coding, design, writing, research — which AI products do you regularly use? Let's list them all out, even the free ones your company pays for, because I want to understand your full toolkit. - 哇，你是在说每周能省下 8 个小时——这太可观了！如果是这样的话，投资回报率（ROI）非常明显。花 25 美元换回一整个工作日，这绝对是明智之举。 那么你现在进入了这个新阶段，我想深入聊聊你用的这些办公/生产力 AI 工具。让我们重新梳理一下：专门针对工作和生产力——比如编码、设计、写作、研究——你经常使用哪些 AI 产品？让我们列个清单，即使是公司付钱的或免费的也算，因为我想了解你的完整工具包。

18:09-20:08 - Chelsea: Okay. So let's go one by one. So for coding, mostly the CodeDraft tool that I pay for. And then I also dabbled with HTML and ChatGPT trying to just figure out things, like knowing how to make some of the copies smaller, put a strike through in. I've used ChatGPT to kinda help me find those HTML codes. And then other than that, I don't do a ton more coding besides that. And then for design, I've used ChatGPT to give me headline brainstorms when I'm trying to, like, figure out a headline that'll fit in my design that achieves the marketing objectives. And then I also use Photoshop generative AI. Generative fill. And then I don't use a lot of, like, photo creation for that same reason. I I mentioned before, like, we don't we have very specific landscapes, and I have to be very careful about generative AI because most time the backgrounds are not Apex or not Pine or not Mount Pine, and our people know. So I have to kinda keep it to just snow and sky or tree additions. And then for writing, that's kinda what I said. Um, ChatGPT. For writing, I use it for if I have a very, um, technical or tactical messaging to get across in chat in Teams, I kinda put all the stuff I wanna get into a Teams message or an email I'm like, hey. Make this, you know, sound more professional. Because I'm kinda just throwing thoughts at it, and it kind of spits out a more complete and cohesive message that I can then throw into Teams or email. I really I really have been liking that. And then for research, kind of mostly ChatGPT, and then sometimes I'll switch over to Google AI, especially if I'm already googling something. I'll kinda just switch over into the AI space if it's not quite getting me there. Microsoft Copilot, I just don't use as much as I should. Um, I try not to put company specific, um, info or nonpublic facing information into ChatGPT in general. So I know I should be using Copilot a little more. I just don't. - 好的。我们一个一个来。编码方面，主要是那个我付费的 CodeDraft 工具。然后我也用 ChatGPT 尝试过 HTML，弄清楚诸如怎么缩小文案、加删除线之类的事。我用 ChatGPT 帮我找过这些 HTML 代码。除此之外，我不做太多的编码工作。设计方面，当我试图构思一个符合营销目标且能放进设计图里的标题时，我会用 ChatGPT 来进行标题头脑风暴。我还使用 Photoshop 的生成式 AI，即生成式填充。我不太使用 AI 创建完整照片，原因我之前提过：我们的景观非常独特，我必须对生成式 AI 非常小心，因为大部时间背景里的山脉或松树不是 Apex 度假村实地的样子，我们的受众能看出来。所以我主要只用于添加雪地、天空或树木。写作方面，刚才也提到了。我会用 ChatGPT 处理 Teams 消息或邮件。如果我有一个非常技术化或策略性的信息要传达，我会把我所有的想法先一股脑丢进 ChatGPT，跟它说：“嘿，把这个修改得更专业一点。”因为它能把我那些零散的想法变成一个更完整、更连贯的信息，然后我再发到 Teams 或邮件里。我很喜欢这个功能。研究方面，主要用 ChatGPT，有时如果 Google 搜索没能给我想要的结果，我会顺手切换到 Google AI。至于 Microsoft Copilot，我用得不像我应该用的那么多。我尽量不把公司特定的、非公开的信息传给 ChatGPT，所以我知道我应该多用 Copilot。但我只是没养成那个习惯。

20:12-20:46 - Researcher: That's a really comprehensive list! So to summarize your work AI toolkit: - Coding: CodeDraft (paid), ChatGPT (free) - Design: ChatGPT for headline brainstorming, Photoshop Generative Fill (company-paid) - Writing: ChatGPT to polish Teamsemail messages - Research: ChatGPT primarily, sometimes Google AI (Gemini) - Copilot: Available but rarely used Let's go deep on each of these. I'll start with CodeDraft since that's the one you're paying for. You already told me about the HTML display ad tool you built. Can you give me two specific recent examples of times you used CodeDraft? Walk me through what you were trying to do, what prompts or inputs you gave it, and what it produced. - 这是一个非常全面的清单！总结一下你的工作 AI 工具包： - 编码：CodeDraft（付费）、ChatGPT（免费） - 设计：ChatGPT 用于标题脑暴，Photoshop 生成式填充（公司付费） - 写作：ChatGPT 用于润色 Teams/邮件 - 调研：主要是 ChatGPT，有时用 Google AI (Gemini) - Copilot：虽然可用但很少用 让我们深入了解每一个。我先从 CodeDraft 开始，因为是你花钱买的那个。你刚才告诉了我你构建的 HTML 展示广告工具。你能给我两个最近使用 CodeDraft 的具体例子吗？带我了解一下你当时想做什么，你给了它什么指令（提示词）或输入，而它生成了什么。

21:12-23:03 - Chelsea: Yeah. I'm trying to without, like, switching over because I can't, like, switch out of the screen or the interview will stop me or say I'm not, like, gonna get my incentive. I I believe I put something in like, hey. I need to create a copy layer over an existing template because our template has, like, the photos, has the CTA, has the, like, logos already in the template. I only need to create an overlay copy layer, and that's what I need to HTML. So I kind of said, I need to give you these six ad sizes I need to overlay them over the ad. And then I I'm trying to think. I think I put in, like, um, some of the example of the HTML that I needed to output. So I, like, had all the it was, like, a stock one that I had used in the past. And then once I kinda started that, I was able to add, like, placeholders. So for that, for each ad size, I had to say, make a, you know, two hundred pixel by seven hundred pixel box about twenty pixels up from the bottom and ten pixels from the right. So I did that for every single ad to create these, like, placeholder spaces. Just for, like, in situ, like, see where those would lie when I'm putting this. And then with each, like, further prompt I was like, okay. Now I want, like, a black background and a white background so I can see how copy lays on it. And then I said, something like, oh, can I have, like, an upload to try out, um, images in the background? Because sometimes I have to, like, make images to fit our templates. So it'd be kinda cool to see how they laid in and see how the, like, CTA placeholders worked on it. So I kinda had to I think I've done, like, seven or eight prompts to get to where I am now, and I'm trying to be very, um, careful about, like, making sure I know what I want before I prompt it since I only have, like, twenty five prompts in the month before I have to pay for the even further subscription. - 好的。我试着回忆一下，因为我不能切出屏幕，否则面试可能会停止或者说我拿不到奖励金。我想我当时输入了类似：“嘿，我需要在一个现有模板上创建一个文案层，因为我们的模板里已经有了图片、CTA 按钮和 Logo。我只需要创建一个覆盖的文案层，并为此生成 HTML。”我说，我需要六种广告尺寸，把文案层覆盖在广告上。我想想……我还输入了一些我过去用过的一个案例 HTML 示例作为参考。一旦开始运行，我就能添加占位符。对于每个广告尺寸，我都要下指令，比如：创建一个 200 像素宽、700 像素高的框，距离底部 20 像素，距离右侧 10 像素。我为每个广告位都做了这种占位空间。为了看实际效果，我还继续提问：“好的，现在我想要黑色背景和白色背景，看看文案是怎么铺在上面的。”我还说：“能不能提供一个上传功能，让我试着放进背景图？”因为有时我要制作适配模板的图片，能在里面看到图片和 CTA 占位符是怎么配合的会很酷。我想我大概用了七八次提示词才达到现在的效果。我现在用得非常小心，必须确保在提问前就知道自己想要什么，因为每月只有 25 次提问额度，再超就要付更高阶的订阅费了。

23:05-23:22 - Researcher: That's super helpful! So you're being really strategic with your prompts because you only get 25 per month at the $25 tier. You've already used 7-8 just to build this one tool. Here's what I'm curious about: Do you remember when you first discovered CodeDraft? Where did you hear about it, and what made you decide to try it in the first place? - 很有帮助！所以你对提问非常慎重，因为 25 美元这档每月只有 25 个额度。你已经为了这个工具用了 7 到 8 个额度。 我很好奇：你记得你最初是怎么发现 CodeDraft 的吗？你是从哪听说的，是什么让你决定第一次尝试它的？

23:24-23:58 - Chelsea: So I first found CodeDraft when I was playing in Figma, trying to create those HTMLs from there like I had mentioned. It hadn't quite worked in the Figma landscape through the plug in, but I was able to kinda click the link in Figma and go toward the actual CodeDraft, like, um, website. And from there, I found out it was kinda like a I think it's called vibe tool. Vibe coding. But I was able to kind of find the AI portion of it and create what I needed from that. So found it from Figma even though it didn't work in Figma as a plug in and then found it from there and kinda dug in even more. - 我第一次发现 CodeDraft 是在玩 Figma 时，试图从那里生成那些 HTML。就像我提到的，在 Figma 环境下通过插件运行得并不理想，但我正好点击了插件里的链接，跳转到了 CodeDraft 的官方网站。在那儿我发现它是一个挺酷的工具，好像叫 Vibe Coding（感官代码）。我找到了那个 AI 部分并用它创建了我需要的东西。所以我是通过 Figma 发现它的，尽管插件本身在 Figma 里没起作用，但我点击进去深入研究后发现了新天地。

24:01-24:20 - Researcher: Got it — so you discovered it through Figma as a plugin, it didn't work the way you needed in Figma itself, but then you clicked through to the CodeDraft website and found the vibe coding AI tool feature, which actually did what you needed. How long ago was that? And when you first tried it on the website, what was your initial reaction? Were you skeptical, excited, frustrated? - 明白了——所以你是从 Figma 插件开始接触的，虽然在 Figma 内部没达到预期，但跳转到官网后发现的这个 Vibe Coding AI 功能完成了任务。 那是多久以前的事？当你第一次在网站上尝试它时，你的初步反应是什么？是怀疑、兴奋还是沮丧？

24:48-24:51 - Chelsea: So I actually found it, I wanna say, like, Friday, last Friday, so less than a week ago. And I was able to create that whole app on the Monday after. So I kinda dug in that Monday. It was, like, most of the day. But I was just so excited because of how much time it was gonna save me. So much so that I even, like, sent announcements to the team, hey. This tool is so cool. Look what I built in a day. But if you have any tool or any, um, tools that you think would help your workflow, feel free to take a look at it because it's super cool. - 我发现它大概是在上周五，也就是不到一周前。然后我在接下来的周一就做出了整个应用。所以那天周一我扎进去了很久。但我当时非常兴奋，因为它能帮我省下太多时间了。我甚至兴奋到给团队发了通知：“嘿，这个工具太酷了，看我一天就做出了什么！”我还跟他们说，如果你们觉得有什么工具能帮到你们的工作流，尽管去试试这个，真的超级酷。

24:53-25:13 - Researcher: Wow, so this literally just happened last week! You found it Friday, built the tool Monday, and were so excited you evangelized it to your team. That's fresh! So you used the free tier on Monday, burned through those 5 free prompts pretty quickly, hit the paywall, and then immediately decided to pay $25month. Did you hesitate at all before pulling out your credit card, or was it an instant "yes"? - 哇，所以这真的是上周才发生的事！你周五发现它，周一构建了工具，然后兴奋地向团队推广。这还新鲜热乎着呢！ 既然你周一用了免费版，很快就耗光了 5 次免费额度并遇到了付费墙，然后你立刻决定支付每月 25 美元。在掏出信用卡之前你有过犹豫吗，还是果断决定“买它”？

25:26-25:41 - Chelsea: So, again, I'm a hard person to convert over to subscription based. So I saw so much good in it that I'm like, I hesitated for maybe a minute. I'm like, is this actually gonna do what I need it to do? But yeah, I was pretty quick because, you know, I get paid, like, you know, thirty something dollars an hour. And I'm like, well, if this even saves me an hour, it's worth it. So for me personally, just like me mentally, I don't I hate coding. If this saves me even an hour, it's worth it. - 还是那句话，我是那种很难转化为订阅制用户的人。但我从这里面看到了太多的好处，所以我大概只犹豫了一分钟。我在想，这玩意儿真的能达到我的要求吗？但很快我就决定了，因为，你知道的，我的时薪大概是三十多美元。我想，如果这东西能帮我省下一小时，那它就值了。所以对我个人来说，纯从心理上讲，我讨厌写代码。只要它能帮我省下一小时，它就值了。

25:44-26:04 - Researcher: That's such a clear mental calculation — $30-somethinghour, so even one hour saved pays for itself. And you hate coding, so there's also that mental health ROI you mentioned earlier. When you were in that one-minute hesitation, what was the worry? Like, what specifically made you pause — was it "will this actually work," "can I afford another subscription," "what if I can't cancel easily," or something else? - 这是一个非常清晰的心理账单——时薪30多美元，所以哪怕只省下一小时，成本就赚回来了。而且你讨厌写代码，所以还有你之前提到的心理健康方面的投资回报（ROI）。 当你在那一分钟犹豫不决时，你在担心什么？具体是什么让你停顿了一下——是“这东西真的有效吗”、“我还能负担起另一个订阅吗”、“如果我不容易取消怎么办”，还是别的什么？

26:17-26:38 - Chelsea: I think it was the will it work because I hate spending money and especially if it might not be reimbursed through my company. Um, it has to, you know, work for what I'm doing. I was also worried about will I have to keep paying for this twenty five dollars a month subscription even to use the tool? But once I found out that, that's when I'm like, okay. Even when I don't pay for this, maybe next month, maybe, um, I can still, like, have this tool hosted somewhere and be able to use it. - 我觉得是“它会生效吗”，因为我讨厌花钱，尤其是如果我的公司可能不给报销的话。呃，它必须，你知道，得能帮我完成工作。我当时还担心，之后我是不是必须每个月一直付这25美元的订阅费才能使用这个工具？但当我发现不需要时，我就想，好吧。就算我下个月不付钱了，也许，嗯，我还是可以把这个工具托管在某个地方并继续使用它。

26:40-26:59 - Researcher: Ah, so the fact that the tool stays live even after you cancel was a huge factor in your decision. That's really smart on CodeDraft's part — it removes the "locked in forever" fear. So right now you're on a monthly subscription at $25month. Have you thought about switching to annual, or are you planning to just pay for one month, finish tweaking the tool, and then cancel? - 啊，所以即使取消订阅后工具仍然保持在线，这一事实是你做决定的一个重要因素。CodeDraft 这一招确实很聪明——它消除了“被永久套牢”的恐惧。 那么现在你选择了每月25美元的订阅。你有考虑过转为年费吗，还是打算只付一个月，完成工具的微调，然后就取消？

27:00-27:28 - Chelsea: I think it all depends. I'm probably gonna pay for the month and finish tweaking this tool and then see if I can think of any other use cases for tools in the future to for other, uh, tactics that I have to do. If I can't think of others, I might stop for a couple of months until I think of something else. Maybe, something for social that I haven't thought of or something. So I might hop back in but I'm probably not gonna stay, um, subscribed every month. - 我觉得这取决于情况。我可能会付一个月的钱，完成这个工具的微调，然后看看能不能为未来可能要做出的其他策略想出一些其他的工具用例。如果我想不出其他的，我可能会停用几个月，直到我想到了别的东西。也许是某些我还没想到的社交媒体方面的应用之类的。所以我可能会重新订阅，但我可能不会保持，嗯，每个月都订阅。

27:30-27:46 - Researcher: That makes total sense — you're treating it more like a project-based tool rather than an ongoing subscription. Pay when you need it, pause when you don't. Since you've been using the paid version for about a week now, how has the experience been? Any surprises, frustrations, or "wow" moments compared to the free tier? - 完全理解——你把它当作一个基于项目的工具，而不是持续性的订阅。需要时付费，不需要时暂停。 既然你使用付费版大约一周了，体验如何？与免费版相比，有什么惊喜、挫折或让你感到“哇”的时刻吗？

28:01-28:08 - Chelsea: Um, no real surprises or or wow. I think the wow came in when I was able to, like, do as much as I have with that tool and maybe, like, ten, um, prompts. So nothing is different in the free from the free tier, just I was able to continue my prompts. - 嗯，没什么真正的惊喜或“哇”。我觉得惊喜感来自于，我竟然通过这个工具和大概十个左右的提示词（prompts），就完成了这么多工作。付费版在功能上和免费版没有什么不同，只是我能够继续输入我的提示词了。

28:11-28:26 - Researcher: Got it — so the paid version is really just "more of the same," which in this case is exactly what you needed. Let me ask you this: What specific features or capabilities of CodeDraft do you think are most worth the $25? Like, if you had to pick the top 1-2 things that justify the cost, what would they be? - 明白了——所以付费版其实就是“加量不加价”，而这正是你所需要的。 让我问你这个问题：你觉得 CodeDraft 的哪些具体功能或能力最值这25美元？如果你必须挑出1-2个让这笔费用变得合理的东西，会是什么？

28:45-29:04 - Chelsea: So specific features of CodeDraft, I think doing all that, like, JavaScript back end coding that I would never be able to do myself, um, to create a tool. That's just something that would take me weeks to figure out. So that was probably the top, um, justification for the cost. I think, also, specific features capabilities. I'd say just being able to save me time, like, tons of time doing a repetitive task. - 关于 CodeDraft 的具体功能，我认为是为了创建一个工具而完成的所有那些 JavaScript 后端编码，这些我自己永远无法独立完成。嗯，那些东西可能要花我几周时间才能弄明白。所以这可能是这笔费用最核心的理由。我想，另外的具体能力，应该说就是能帮我节省时间，比如在处理重复性任务时能帮我节省大量的时间。

29:07-29:27 - Researcher: So it's really the backend JavaScript magic that you couldn't do yourself, plus the massive time savings on repetitive tasks. That's a clear value prop. Now I want to get your gut feeling on this: On a scale of 0 to 10, where 0 is "definitely canceling and never coming back" and 10 is "I'll pay for this forever" — how likely are you to continue paying for CodeDraft in the future? And tell me why you picked that number. - 所以核心在于你无法独立完成的后端 JavaScript 魔法，加上在重复性任务上节省的海量时间。这是一个非常明确的价值主张。 现在我想了解一下你的直觉：从 0 到 10 分，0 分是“肯定取消且永不回来”，10 分是“我会永远为此付费”——你未来继续为 CodeDraft 付费的可能性有多大？告诉我你选择这个数字的原因。

29:37-29:49 - Chelsea: I'd say it's probably in between. I'd say it's five because zero I'm not gonna cancel and never come back. But I'm not gonna pay for this every month. I'm gonna be probably that person who cancels aka pauses for a couple months until I find something else. And then probably come back. So probably a solid five. - 我会说大概在中间。选 5 分吧，因为选 0 分不对，我不会取消且永不回来。但我不会每个月都付费。我可能会是那种取消（即暂停）几个月，直到我发现其他需要做的事情，然后再回来付费的人。所以大概是稳稳的 5 分。

29:51-30:08 - Researcher: A solid 5 — you're right in the middle. You see the value, but you're not committing to ongoing payments. You'll be a "seasonal subscriber" based on project needs. What would it take to move you from a 5 to, say, an 8 or 9? Like, what would CodeDraft need to do or offer to make you think, "Okay, I want to keep this active all the time"? - 稳稳的 5 分——你正好在中间。你看到了价值，但你不想承诺持续付费。你会是一个根据项目需求而定的“季节性订阅者”。 要让你从 5 分提升到，比如 8 或 9 分，需要怎么做？换句话说，CodeDraft 需要做些什么或提供什么，才能让你觉得“好吧，我想一直保持订阅状态”？

30:16-31:09 - Chelsea: I don't know. There's not much CodeDraft could do. I think I'm just super cost conscious. I would like to see them like, not charge me if I don't use a prompt for a month. Like, if I don't cancel, but then if I don't use it for a month, maybe just don't charge me. I don't I don't know. That's how I would stay on as a subscriber. And then maybe once I, like, go in again and start working in it, then it would charge me. But unless that's an option, I probably would cancel. I'd hate to even admit it, but because this is, like, a catch twenty two, it's to get me, like, to a ten, you know, If my tool doesn't stay live, maybe I would keep it on. But I wouldn't be happy about it, like, at all. It would I and, again, I probably wouldn't have subscribed in general if that tool didn't stay live when I wasn't a subscriber. So yeah, catch twenty two on that one. - 我不知道。CodeDraft 能做的不多。我觉得我只是对成本超级敏感。我希望看到他们，比如，如果我一个月没用过提示词（prompt），就不收我钱。比如我并没有取消订阅，但如果我一个月没用它，也许就不收我费。我不知道，我也不知道。这就是让我保持订阅状态的方法。然后一旦我再次登录并开始在里面工作，它就会收我费。但除非有这种选项，否则我可能还是会取消。我甚至讨厌承认这一点，因为这是一个“二十二条军规”式的悖论，如果要让我达到 10 分，你知道，如果我的工具不保持在线，也许我会一直订阅。但我对此会非常不开心，真的非常不开心。而且，如果那个工具在我不是订阅者的情况下不能保持在线，我可能一开始就不会订阅了。所以，是的，这是一个两难的处境。

31:11-31:38 - Researcher: That's such an honest answer — and a really interesting catch-22! The thing that got you to subscribe (tool stays live after canceling) is also the thing that lets you leave guilt-free. If they took that away, you'd feel trapped and probably wouldn't have signed up at all. The usage-based billing idea is smart too — only charge when you actually use prompts. That would keep you subscribed without the guilt. Right now, what's the most frustrating or disappointing thing about CodeDraft? What makes you go "ugh, I wish they'd fix this"? - 这是一个非常诚实的回答——而且是一个非常有趣的“二十二条军规”！让你订阅的因素（取消后工具依然在线）同时也正是让你能够无负罪感离开的因素。如果他们取消了这一点，你会觉得被困住了，可能最初根本就不会注册。 你提到的按使用量计费的主意也很聪明——只在实际使用提示词时收费。这能让你留在订阅名单里而没有愧疚感。 目前，关于 CodeDraft 最让你沮丧或失望的是什么？有什么让你觉得“哎呀，我真希望他们能修复这个”？

31:40-31:58 - Chelsea: I'd say the most frustrating thing was knowing from the get go that I only had five prompts in the free tier. It kinda never told me that that was coming up, and it kinda just surprised me. I'm like, oh, I would have had a little more thorough prompts in the beginning if I knew I had a five, um, prompt limit. - 我觉得最让人沮丧的是，从一开始并不知道免费版只有 5 个提示词限额。它从没告诉过我限额快到了，这让我有点吃惊。我就想，噢，要是早知道只有 5 个提示词的限制，我一开始输入的提示词就会更周全一点了。

32:01-32:17 - Researcher: Oh wow, so they didn't clearly communicate the 5-prompt limit upfront? You just hit a wall suddenly and were like, "Wait, what?" That's frustrating — especially since you would've been more strategic with those first prompts if you'd known. If you had a magic wand and could change one thing about CodeDraft right now, what would it be? - 噢哇，所以他们预先没有清晰地告知 5 个提示词的限制？你就突然撞墙了，然后心想，“等等，什么鬼？”这确实令人沮丧——尤其是如果你早知道的话，在前几个提示词的使用上会更有策略性。 如果你有一根魔法棒，现在可以改变关于 CodeDraft 的一件事，那会是什么？

32:45-33:04 - Chelsea: I'd say having a little more drag and drop structure. Right now, the only way I can, like, update the code is have a very detailed prompt. But sometimes there's been a couple times where I prompted it something, but it, like, changed everything. I had to, like, do an undo, which I appreciate the undo function because everything else would be working, and then it would change something and nothing would be working. So, um, I'd say being able to specifically say I wanna I mean, having drag and drop kind of features or, you know, selecting an area that needs update instead of having an accidental prompt that wasn't quite worded rightly. Worded correctly. - 我会说增加一些拖放结构。现在，我更新代码的唯一方法就是输入非常详细的提示词。但有时会发生这种情况：我提示了某些东西，但它把所有的东西都改了。我不得不点撤销（undo），我很感谢有撤销功能，因为原本一切都运行得好好的，然后它改了点东西，接着就全崩了。所以，嗯，我会说，如果能具体说明我要——我是说，拥有拖放功能，或者，你知道，可以选择需要更新的区域，而不是误发了一个措辞不太准确的提示词。

33:14-33:36 - Researcher: That's a really practical request — more granular control so you're not risking breaking the whole thing with one misunderstood prompt. The undo feature saves you, but it's still nerve-wracking when a prompt goes sideways. Let me get some quick ratings from you on CodeDraft. On a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is very unsatisfied and 5 is very satisfied — how satisfied are you with CodeDraft's ability to actually complete the tasks you need it for? - 这是一个非常实用的需求——更精细的控制，这样你就不会因为一个被误解的提示词而面临搞坏整个项目的风险。撤销功能救了你，但当提示词跑偏时，依然很让人神经紧张。 让我请你为 CodeDraft 做些快速评分。从 1 到 5 分，1 分是非常不满意，5 分是非常满意——你对 CodeDraft 实际完成你所需任务的能力有多满意？

33:38-33:46 - Chelsea: So I'd say a five. I'm, like, super impressed with CodeDraft's ability to complete the task that I'm using it for, which is, like, vibe coding. So yeah. - 我会给 5 分。我对 CodeDraft 完成我正在使用的任务（即氛围编程）的能力印象超级深刻。所以，是的，5 分。

33:48-34:00 - Researcher: A 5 — very satisfied with task completion. That's great. Next: On a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is "not unique at all, lots of tools do this" and 5 is "very unique, nothing else like it" — how unique do you think CodeDraft is compared to other tools? - 5 分——对任务完成度非常满意。太棒了。 下一个：从 1 到 5 分，1 分是“一点都不独特，很多工具都能做”，5 分是“非常独特，没有类品”——你觉得 CodeDraft 与其他工具相比有多独特？

34:36-34:44 - Chelsea: So I would say five. This is a very unique tool. Of course, I probably could have missed a lot of things, but this AI space is a lot different than the other AI tools I've used. Which is more, you know, question prompt based, where this is still prompt based, but actually creating something and seeing it and being able to physically use the project. Whereas the other AI tools I've used, like ChatGPT, Copilot, Google AI are kinda just like research tools. - 我会给 5 分。这是一个非常独特的工具。当然，我也许漏掉了很多东西，但这个 AI 空间与我使用过的其他 AI 工具很不相同。其他的更多是基于问题的提示词（prompt），而这个虽然也是基于提示词的，但它是在实际创造一个东西，你能看到它，并能实际使用那个项目。而我用过的其他 AI 工具，比如 ChatGPT、Copilot、Google AI，更像是研究工具。

34:47-35:04 - Researcher: A 5 on uniqueness — it's doing something fundamentally different from the researchchat-based tools. It's actually building a functional product you can use and interact with. Last rating: On a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is very unsatisfied and 5 is very satisfied — how do you feel about CodeDraft's value for money? Is $25month worth what you're getting? - 独特性 5 分——它所做的事情与基于研究/聊天的工具有本质区别。它实际上是在构建一个你可以使用和互动的交互式产品。 最后一个评分：从 1 到 5 分，1 分是非常不满意，5 分是非常满意——你觉得 CodeDraft 的性价比如何？每月 25 美元值你得到的东西吗？

35:21-36:03 - Chelsea: It's hard because twenty five dollars a month, that's a lot of money, and I I wish there would have been, like, a lower tier than that, like, you know, ten to kinda get started. Twenty five was a lot, and it kinda had me thinking twice. So but on the other hand, if it actually saves me a ton of time, it definitely is worth it because you know, ten hours saved a week. That's what? Forty hours a month. I mean, that's, like, hundreds of maybe thousands of dollars that it's actually saving the company. And it's something that's really gonna contribute a lot to my goals. I'm hoping for some kind of raise and being able to exceed tech expectations on some of my, um, goals. Could end up giving me extra money in terms of bonus. So - 这很难说，因为每月 25 美元是一大笔钱。我希望有一个更低的版本，比如 10 美元那种入门级的。25 美元确实很多，让我犹豫再三。但另一方面，如果它真的能帮我节省大量时间，那它绝对值，因为你知道，每周节省 10 小时的话，一个月就是 40 小时。我的意思是，这实际上为公司节省了数百甚至数千美元。而且这对实现我的目标真的很有帮助。我希望能涨工资，并希望能达到或超过我某些目标中的技术预期。这最终可能会以奖金的形式给我带来额外的收入。所以……

36:05-36:23 - Researcher: So you're torn — $25 feels like a lot upfront, and you wish there was a $10 starter tier. But when you do the math on time saved (40 hoursmonth = potentially thousands in company value) plus the potential career impact (raises, bonuses from exceeding goals), it pencils out as worth it. So what number would you give it? 1 to 5 on value for money? - 所以你很纠结——25 美元预感有点贵，你希望有一个 10 美元的入门档位。但当你计算节省的时间（每月 40 小时 = 潜在数千美元的公司价值）加上潜在的职业影响（因超出目标而获得的加薪、奖金）时，算下来又是值得的。 那么你会给它打几分？性价比 1 到 5 分？

36:29-36:38 - Chelsea: I'd say a four. I wanna give it five, but because I hesitated so much with that money, amount, I'm just gonna say four. - 我会给 4 分。我想给 5 分，但因为我对这个金额犹豫了很久，所以我还是说 4 分吧。

36:42-37:00 - Researcher: A 4 on value for money — you see the ROI, but that $25 sticker shock was real. Alright, shifting gears now. We've talked a lot about the tools you do pay for. Now I want to hear about the flip side. What AI productivity or work tools do you use frequently but haven't paid for? Think ChatGPT, Copilot, or anything else you use regularly but stay on the free tier. - 性价比 4 分——你看到了投资回报率，但 25 美元的标价冲击感是很真实的。 好了，现在换个话题。我们聊了很多你付费使用的工具。现在我想听听另一面。 有哪些 AI 生产力或工作工具是你经常使用但没有付费的？比如 ChatGPT、Copilot 或者其他任何你经常使用但保持在免费版的工具。

37:20-37:36 - Chelsea: So, yeah, ChatGPT, use daily, um, for both work, for email, um, generation, and for personal, like, tax help, legal help, financial help, just general questions personally. And then Copilot, don't use it as much. Generative AI, again, I don't pay for it, but I use it all the time. But my company pays for it. So ChatGPT is the main one, I'd say. - 有的，ChatGPT，每天都用，无论是工作上的邮件生成，还是个人生活中的税务帮助、法律咨询、理财指导，或者只是个人的通用问题。然后 Copilot，用得没那么多。生成式 AI，同样，我自己不付钱，但我一直在用，因为我公司付了钱。所以 ChatGPT 是主要的那个，我会这么说。

37:38-37:56 - Researcher: Got it — ChatGPT is the big one you use daily for both work and personal stuff, but you're on the free tier. Copilot and Photoshop generative AI you use, but your company pays for those. Let's focus on ChatGPT since that's the one you're choosing not to pay for yourself. Have you ever considered paying for ChatGPT Plus, or have you always just stuck with the free version? - 明白了——ChatGPT 是你每天在工作和个人生活中都会用的大头，但你用的是免费版。Copilot 和 Photoshop 的生成式 AI你也用，但那是你公司付的钱。 让我们专注于 ChatGPT，因为那是你选择不亲自付费的工具。你有没有考虑过购买 ChatGPT Plus，还是你一直只用免费版？

38:06-38:13 - Chelsea: So I've kinda just stuck with the free version. I kinda mentioned I recently kinda thought about ChatGPT plus, but most of the time, I can wait a couple hours to, you know, continue my prompting, so I kinda stick with the free. - 我一直只用免费版。我也提到过，我最近有点想过 ChatGPT Plus，但大多数时候，我可以等几个小时再继续输入提示词，所以我还是选择用免费的。

38:16-38:24 - Researcher: Right, you mentioned earlier you just wait out the message limits or switch to Google. What would it take for you to actually pull the trigger on - 对，你之前提过你只是等消息限制过去，或者换到 Google AI 去用。 要让你真正下定决心购买……