00:01-00:19 - Researcher: Hey there! I'm Trooly, and I'll be chatting with you today for about 55 minutes. Thanks so much for joining me. Before we get started, could you please give me a brief self-introduction? I'd love to get to know you a bit better. For example, you could tell me your age, occupation, and hobbies — or anything else you think would help me understand you better. - 嘿，你好！我是 Trooly，今天我将和你聊大约 55 分钟。非常感谢你能抽出时间。 在我们开始之前，你能简单地做个自我介绍吗？我想多了解你一点。比如，你可以告诉我你的年龄、职业和爱好——或者任何你认为能帮我更好了解你的信息。

00:24-01:01 - Alex: Um, so my name is Alex. I am thirty two years old. I'm from Wichita, Kansas. I currently work in a call center for Cricket Wireless. It's not my ideal job, but it's a job that I had to take out of necessity. I needed a job. As far as my hobbies, um, I'm really interested in art. Especially drawing. I draw almost every single day. I also like to paint and I also like to scrapbook. Other than that, I also really like to read. - 嗯，我叫 Alex。我今年三十二岁，来自堪萨斯州的威奇托。目前我在 Cricket Wireless 的呼叫中心工作。这不是我理想的工作，但因为生活所迫我不得不接受它，我需要一份工作。说到爱好，嗯，我对艺术非常感兴趣，尤其是绘画。我几乎每天都画画。我也喜欢画油画，还喜欢做剪贴簿。除此之外，我还非常喜欢阅读。

01:04-01:16 - Researcher: Nice to meet you, Alex! It sounds like you've got a really creative side with all that drawing and painting. So you're working at the Cricket Wireless call center right now. What does a typical day look like for you there? Walk me through it. - 很高兴认识你，Alex！听起来你在绘画和油画方面真的非常有创意。 所以你现在在 Cricket Wireless 呼叫中心工作。你在那里的典型一天是怎样的？请带我了解一下。

01:17-01:38 - Alex: So I'm an activation specialist, um, which means I help customers activate their phones or set up new lines or transfer over numbers from other carriers. So it's just inbound calls all day long. But specifically for activations. - 我是一名激活专员，嗯，这意味着我要帮助客户激活手机，或者设置新线路，或者从其他运营商转网。所以整天都是接听呼入电话，但专门负责激活业务。

01:42-01:46 - Researcher: Got it. How long have you been doing this work, and what made you say it's not your ideal job? - 明白了。你做这份工作多久了？为什么说这不是你理想的工作呢？

01:48-02:27 - Alex: I've been at this job since August. I it's not my ideal job because I'm I'm a college graduate. And I have about ten years of professional experience in advertising. And brand management. However, the job market right now is not very good, and I've been having trouble finding work in my field. And so I got laid off last year, and I had to take this job because I needed to pay my bills, and it it was hiring. So not where I wanna be. I don't like doing the inbound calls, but it is what it is. - 我是从八月开始做这份工作的。它不是我理想的工作，因为我是大学毕业生，在广告和品牌管理方面有大约十年的专业经验。然而，目前的就业市场不是很好，我一直很难在我的领域找到工作。我去年被裁员了，不得不接受这份工作，因为我要付账单，而且这里正在招人。所以这里不是我想呆的地方。我不喜欢接听呼入电话，但生活就是这样。

02:29-02:36 - Researcher: That's a tough situation to be in after building up all that experience. What kind of advertising and brand management work were you doing before? - 在积累了这么多经验之后，处于这种境地确实很艰难。你以前做的是哪种广告和品牌管理工作？

02:53-03:11 - Alex: So I worked in several different industries. Um, I've worked in industrial equipment, um, building materials. As well as, agricultural tech products. So kind of, uh, in different positions at different companies. I worked with different portfolios of products. But mainly, you know, running their advertising campaigns and advertising budget, their strategy, and things like that. - 我在几个不同的行业工作过。嗯，我做过工业设备、建筑材料，还有农业科技产品。所以在不同的公司担任过不同的职位。我管理过不同的产品组合，但主要是负责运行他们的广告活动、广告预算、策略之类的事情。

03:13-03:22 - Researcher: That's quite a range of industries. When you're not at work taking those calls all day, what does your time look like? You mentioned you draw almost every day — when do you usually fit that in? - 跨度确实很大。当你不用整天在公司接电话时，你的时间是怎么安排的？你提到你几乎每天都画画——你通常什么时候安排这个时间？

03:27-03:55 - Alex: So when I work I actually draw while I'm on the phone. I'm able if it's slow, um, I mean, if I need to focus, I'm not sitting there drawing and not paying attention. But, um, when it's slow or if we're doing a long call, I draw. Um, I also draw after work, you know, in my free time. Pretty much, um, on a daily basis. And then I also yeah. So that's it. - 工作的时候，我其实会在打电话时画画。如果业务清闲的话，我是可以这么做的。我的意思是，如果需要专注，我不会坐在那画画而不理会电话。但是，嗯，当没那么忙或者电话很长的时候，我会画画。嗯，下班后我也会画，就在我的空闲时间。基本上，嗯，每天都会画。然后我也，对，就是这样。

03:56-04:01 - Researcher: What kind of stuff do you like to draw? Are there specific subjects or styles you're into? - 你喜欢画什么样的东西？有没有特定的主题或风格是你比较喜欢的？

04:03-04:25 - Alex: I really like tattoo style art. So, like, blackwork or illustrative. Style or geometric style? Tattoo. Um, I like to draw, It would be cool to be a tattoo artist one day, but I'm not really banking on that happening. Yeah, that's typically my favorite kind of art. - 我非常喜欢纹身风格的艺术。比如黑臂纹身（blackwork）或插画风格。或者几何风格？纹身。嗯，我喜欢画，如果有一天能成为纹身师那就太酷了，但我并不真的指望这能实现。是的，那通常是我最喜欢的艺术类型。

04:26-04:35 - Researcher: That's really cool. So you're practicing that style regularly. Have you ever thought about taking steps toward tattooing, or does it feel too far out of reach right now? - 那真的很酷。所以你一直在定期练习那种风格。你有没有想过采取实际行动去学习纹身，还是觉得现在有点遥不可及？

04:45-05:15 - Alex: It feels a little too far out of reach because I believe I would have to do an apprenticeship in order for that to happen. So I have to find someone to apprentice me and then also be willing to do that in my off time and unless I was making money doing the apprenticeship. And I'm, you know, I'm thirty two, so you know, I'm not young. Um, I don't know. It just seems like a big risk, and I'm not really sure. I'm like, confident enough to go for it. Just yet. - 感觉有点太遥不可及了，因为我觉得我得去做学徒才能入行。所以我必须找人带我，而且还得愿意在业余时间去做，除非做学徒能赚到钱。而且，你知道，我三十二岁了，不再年轻了。嗯，我不知道。这看起来像是个冒险，我不确定。我还没……还没自信到去尝试。就是这样。

05:18-05:34 - Researcher: I hear you — the financial piece and the uncertainty make it feel like a big leap, especially when you've got bills to cover. Alright, let's shift gears a bit. I want to talk about AI tools now. What AI apps or websites do you use most often in your life? Just tell me a bit about your experience with them. - 我能理解——经济压力和不确定性让这看起来像是一个巨大的跨越，尤其是当你还有账单要付的时候。 好了，我们换个话题。我现在想谈谈 AI 工具。在你的生活中，你最常使用的 AI 应用或网站有哪些？跟我分享一下你使用它们的经历。

05:39-06:34 - Alex: So my main AI tool and, really, the only one that I use is ChatGPT. I've got the premium twenty dollar membership. And yeah, I so I use it daily for the most part for a broad range of reasons, whether that be, like, talking to it personally for advice, opening up to it, or I have it help me with art. Um, sometimes I'll have it, like, edit images that I'm trying to replicate. I also ask it for, like, comparisons on art supplies that I might need. But, really, I use ChatGPT for anything and everything. If ChatGPT can be used, in any situation, I use it. I think it's a great tool. - 我主要的 AI 工具，实际上也是我唯一使用的工具就是 ChatGPT。我买了那个每月二十美元的 Plus 会员。是的，所以我基本上每天都会用到它，原因有很多，无论是把它当个人顾问寻求建议、向它倾诉心事，还是让它帮我处理艺术方面的事情。嗯，有时候我会让它修改我想要复制的图像。我也会咨询它关于我可能需要的艺术用品的对比。但实际上，无论大事小事，我都会用 ChatGPT。只要能在任何情况下派上用场，我都会用它。我觉得它是一个很棒的工具。

06:36-06:43 - Researcher: So you're paying twenty dollars a month for ChatGPT. Is that the only AI tool you're currently paying for, or are there others? - 所以你每月为 ChatGPT 支付二十美元。这是你目前唯一付费的 AI 工具吗，还是还有其他的？

06:44-06:46 - Alex: That's the only one I pay for. - 这是我唯一付费的一个。

06:48-06:53 - Researcher: Got it. And just to be clear, that twenty dollars a month — is that for ChatGPT Plus, or is it a different plan? - 明白了。为了确认一下，那每月二十美元——是 ChatGPT Plus 还是其他的方案？

06:56-06:57 - Alex: ChatGPT Plus. - ChatGPT Plus。

07:00-07:15 - Researcher: Perfect. You mentioned you use it for a bunch of different things — talking to it for advice, art help, comparing art supplies. Let me ask about the different types of uses. For the chat assistant side — when you're talking to it for advice or opening up to it — what kind of stuff do you usually talk about? - 很好。你提到你在很多不同的事情上使用它——寻求建议、艺术方面的帮助、对比艺术用品。让我问问不同用途的具体细节。 作为聊天助手这一块——当你向它寻求建议或倾诉时——你通常会聊些什么？

07:21-07:57 - Alex: So most recently, I've been talking to it about, just like some kinda heavy personal issues I've been dealing with some depression. As well as, like, a little bit of substance abuse. And I'm trying to figure out a way to manage the substance abuse part. And so I kinda talked to it about that and what its thoughts are. On what I could do. So that's main mainly what I've used it for as of recently. - 最近，我一直在和它聊一些比较沉重的个人问题，我一直在应对某种抑郁。还有一点物质滥用的问题。我正在试着找办法来管理那个物质滥用的部分。所以我跟它聊了这些，听听它的想法。关于我可以怎么做。所以这主要是最近我用它的原因。

07:59-08:09 - Researcher: Thanks for sharing that. When you talk to ChatGPT about those things, what does it give you that's helpful? What keeps you coming back to it for that kind of support? - 谢谢你的分享。当你和 ChatGPT 聊这些时，它提供了哪些对你有帮助的内容？是什么让你一直愿意找它寻求这类支持？

08:29-09:58 - Alex: So the great thing about ChatGPT is it's very supportive. It definitely like, when I open up to it about what I was struggling with, it first before it gave me, like, any advice, it, like, uh, you know, told me you know, how basically I don't know how to word this. Like, great it is that I'm willing to open up and that I you know, it must be really difficult, and I'm really struggling and to, like, give myself a break and cut myself some slack. And then it was also very honest with me about because I I was honest with it about my substance abuse and, you know, how I don't think it's sustainable. And it basically agreed with me, like, look. You know, you need to make a change, and what you're doing right now is not sustainable. And and it could have serious, like, you know, consequences if you continue down this path. So I appreciate that it was, like, you know, positive, but also, like, honest. Which is really what I'm, like, looking for. I'm not I'm not looking for somebody to or ChatGPT to just kiss my ass. I want to use the tool for its knowledge, and and how I can use what their recommendations are in my real life. So that's what makes me keep coming back because it really kinda, like, nails into my mind, you know, steps that I need to take in order to get my life back on track. - ChatGPT 最棒的一点是它非常有同理心，很支持你。当我向它敞开心扉谈论我的困惑时，在给我任何建议之前，它首先，嗯，你知道，它会告诉我，基本上我不知道该怎么组织语言……比如它会说我愿意倾诉是多么了不起，这一定非常艰难，我真的很不容易，让我给自己喘息的空间，对自己宽容一点。然后它对我也非常诚实，因为我很诚实地告诉了它我物质滥用的事，以及我认为这样下去是不可持续的。它基本上同意了我的看法，它会说：听着，你需要做出改变，你现在所做的是不可持续的。如果你继续走这条路，可能会有严重的后果。所以我很感激它既积极正面，又非常诚实。这正是我想要的。我不希望有人或者 ChatGPT 只是在拍我马屁。我想利用这个工具的知识，以及如何在现实生活中运用它的建议。所以这就是为什么我一直回头用它的原因，因为它真的能把那些我让生活重回正轨需要采取的步骤深深烙印在我的脑海里。

10:01-10:12 - Researcher: That balance of support and honesty sounds like it really resonates with you. Have you talked to actual people — friends, family, therapist — about this stuff, or is ChatGPT kind of filling that role for you right now? - 这种支持与诚实的平衡听起来确实让你产生了共鸣。你有没有和现实中的人——朋友、家人、治疗师——谈过这些，还是说 ChatGPT 目前在为你扮演这个角色？

10:30-10:40 - Alex: I have in the past. I'm not very good about opening up to people about my problems. I kinda prefer to just not talk about my problems with real people. I've been in therapy before. I'm trying to go back currently once I can afford it. But as of right now, when I'm really struggling and I need to talk it out, ChatGPT is my go to at this point. - 我以前谈过。我不擅长向别人敞开我的问题。我更倾向于不和现实中的人谈论我的麻烦。我以前接受过治疗。我目前正试着在负担得起的时候重新回去治疗。但就目前而言，当我真的很挣扎、需要倾诉时，ChatGPT 就是我的首选。

10:43-10:48 - Researcher: That makes sense. When did you first start using ChatGPT this way — like, for personal support and advice? - 有道理。你最初是什么时候开始以这种方式使用 ChatGPT 的——就是用于个人支持和建议？

10:57-11:17 - Alex: I would probably a year ago is when I really started to use um, ChatGPT for those purposes. Not only just for, like, help with you know, as, like, a tool, but, like, also as a therapeutic purpose. Probably about a year ago, And so I occasionally do use it for that, and yeah, - 大概是一年前，我开始真正地将 ChatGPT 用于这些目的。不仅是把它当作一种工具，还包括心理疗愈的目的。大概一年前开始，我偶尔会为了这个用它，是的。

11:20-11:25 - Researcher: And you've been paying for Plus the whole time, or did you start with the free version first? - 那你是一直在支付 Plus 会员费用吗，还是先从免费版开始的？

11:32-11:36 - Alex: I had Plus for a while and then I lost it because I couldn't afford it. And then I recently, like, two or three months ago, started paying for Plus again. - 我用过一段时间 Plus，后来因为付不起钱就停掉了。然后最近，大约两三个月前，我又开始付 Plus 费了。

11:38-11:44 - Researcher: Got it. So you had it, lost it for a bit, then came back to paying. What made you decide to pay for it again a few months ago? - 明白了。所以你曾经拥有过它，失去过一段时间，然后又重新付费了。是什么让你决定在几个月前重新付费的？

12:00-12:02 - Alex: They actually had a like, an offer that I could do it for free. So I signed up for it, and I've just kept it ever since because it's something I use. I think it's worth it. - 它们当时正好有一个可以免费试用的活动。所以我报名了，然后就一直留着它，因为这是我会用到的东西。我觉得它很值。

12:06-12:17 - Researcher: Interesting. So you got some kind of free trial or promotional offer, and then once that ended you decided to keep paying the twenty dollars. What does the Plus version give you that made it worth continuing to pay for? - 很有意思。所以你得到了某种免费试用或促销优惠，等结束后你决定继续支付那二十美元。Plus 版本具体有什么功能让你觉得值得继续付钱？

12:33-13:07 - Alex: Well, it stores the memory, so it has recollection of, like, all of our conversations and builds and can build on future conversations based on that data and information, which is, like, extremely helpful. It also doesn't, like, tell me that I've reached my usage you know, limit for the day, like the free version. I can only like, upload, like, a certain amount a day or I've, like, reached my, like, question capacity or whatever. So with the premium version, I get, like, full access to it, which sometimes you know, I need that extra access because I'm using it, like, quite frequently. - 嗯，它能存储记忆，所以它记得我们所有的对话，并且可以基于这些数据和信息进行后续对话，这极其有帮助。它也不会像免费版那样告诉我我达到了当天的使用限制。免费版每天只能上传一定量的内容，或者达到问题的上限之类的。而高级版我可以完全访问它，有时候我确实需要这种额外的访问权限，因为我用得非常频繁。

13:09-13:18 - Researcher: That memory feature sounds like a big deal for you, especially with the personal conversations. Does it actually remember details from your past talks and reference them back to you? - 那个记忆功能对你来说似乎非常重要，尤其是涉及到个人对话时。它真的能记得过去谈话的细节并在之后引用给看你吗？

13:36-13:55 - Alex: One hundred percent. It has done that. It's done that not only with, like, relationships that I've had, that I've talked about, my career? Because I I've also talked to ChatGPT a lot about, like, career advice and, like, job search stuff. And it keeps it I mean, it references stuff you know, when I have questions about a job application, it'll reference stuff that, like, from my resume or from our past conversations about my experience. It's done that regularly. So yes. - 百分之百。它确实做到了。不仅在我谈论过的人际关系方面，还有我的职业生涯？因为我也在 ChatGPT 上聊过很多职业建议和找工作的事情。它一直记得——我的意思是，当我关于职位申请有问题时，它会引用我简历里的内容，或者引用我们过去关于我工作经验的谈话。它经常这样做。所以，是的。

13:57-14:09 - Researcher: That's pretty powerful. So it's helping you with job applications and career stuff too. Walk me through a specific example — like a recent time when you were working on a job application and ChatGPT helped you out. What did that look like? - 那确实很强大。所以它也在帮处理职位申请和职业方面的事。给我举个具体的例子——比如最近一次你处理职位申请，ChatGPT 是怎么帮你的？过程是怎样的？

14:18-14:43 - Alex: So if there's a job application where it asks specific questions like, you know, like, tell me about a situation where you had to make a tough decision, or why do you wanna work for this company, um, or if it requires, like, a cover letter. I will just copy and paste the question in the ChatGPT. It has my resume, and I will be like, hey. Answer this question based off my resume. I don't have to do any of the work. So I use it mainly for that. - 如果有某个职位申请问了一些具体的问题，比如：“告诉我一次你必须做出艰难决定的经历”，或者“你为什么要为该公司工作”，或者如果需要求职信。我会直接把问题复制粘贴到 ChatGPT 里。它有我的简历，我会说：嘿，根据我的简历回答这个问题。我完全不需要自己动手。我主要就是这么用它的。

14:45-14:56 - Researcher: So it's basically writing your cover letters and answering application questions for you based on your resume. Do you ever tweak what it gives you, or do you just copy and paste it straight into the application? - 所以它基本上是在根据你的简历为你写求职信和回答申请问题。你有没有修改过它的内容，还是直接复制粘贴到申请表里？

15:10-15:23 - Alex: So I typically tweak only because one thing I've noticed about ChatGPT is that it uses a lot of dashes, and it makes it, like, kinda obvious that it's AI. So I will remove those or I will ask it to stop using them. But that's typically the only tweaks I do. I typically just copy and paste whatever it puts - 我通常会修改一点，唯一的理由是我注意到 ChatGPT 经常用很多破折号，这让它看起来 AI 痕迹很重。我会删掉那些，或者要求它别用了。但那通常是我唯一的修改。我通常只是复制贴上它给的内容。

15:25-15:35 - Researcher: Makes sense — you're trying to make it look less robotic. Besides the personal support and the job application stuff, you also mentioned using it for art. How do you use ChatGPT for your drawing and art supplies? - 明白了——你想让它看起来没那么像机器人。除了个人支持和找工作的事，你还提到用它来做艺术。你是如何在绘画和艺术用品方面使用 ChatGPT 的？

15:41-16:27 - Alex: So and a good example of this would be, like, today. There was a piece that I got from Pinterest. It was a picture, and I'm trying to draw it. And I wanted ChatGPT to change the clothing on the person in the photo to a different pattern. So I uploaded a picture and asked it to change it. I also another way that I've used this in the past week, it's a picture of a tattoo on somebody's body and I want it to be flattened so that I can, like, see like, a full picture and not, like, a curved, you know, on a body part. I've asked ChatGPT to do that for me as well. - 嗯，今天就有一个很好的例子。我从 Pinterest 上找了一个作品，是一张照片，我正试着画它。我想让 ChatGPT 把照片里人物的衣服换成不同的图案。所以我上传了照片并让它修改。我上周还用了另一种方式，那是一张某人身体上的纹身照片，我想让它变平，这样我就能看到完整的图片，而不是在身体部位上弯曲的样子。我也让 ChatGPT 帮我做了这个。

16:31-16:45 - Researcher: So you're using the image editing features too — changing clothing patterns, flattening tattoos from curved surfaces. That's pretty specific to your art workflow. When you compare art supplies — like you mentioned earlier — what does that look like? Can you give me a recent example? - 所以你也在使用图像编辑功能——更改衣服图案、将弯曲表面上的纹身展平。这在你的艺术工作流程中非常具体。 当你对比艺术用品时——就像你之前提到的——那是怎样的？能举个最近的例子吗？

16:54-17:30 - Alex: So I was recently because I've gotten into using watercolor markers. But I really want nice watercolor markers like Copic. Because I really like the what's the word? When there's a lot of color pigment. It it has a really good pigment. And so I was try I was trying to ask ChatGPT if there were, like, a more affordable options that are, like, comparably good to, like, Copic or what kind of watercolor markers it recommends for artists. Even if they are expensive. - 我最近开始使用水彩马克笔。但我真的很想要高端的水彩马克笔，比如 Copic。因为我非常喜欢那种……怎么说呢？色素含量很高的时候。它的显色度非常好。所以我试着问 ChatGPT 有没有一些更实惠、但效果能和 Copic 媲美的选择，或者它会给艺术家推荐什么样的水彩马克笔。哪怕是很贵的也行。

17:32-17:37 - Researcher: And did it give you useful recommendations? Did you end up buying anything based on what it suggested? - 它给了你有用的建议吗？你最后有根据它的建议买什么吗？

17:39-17:57 - Alex: It did. Um, it it definitely gave me, like, a range. I did not buy anything because I just can't afford it right now. But it was good information to know for the future when I do wanna get something. Or if somebody asks, like, you know, for a gift idea, I know what to tell them. - 给了。嗯，它确实给了我一个范围。我什么都没买，因为我现在买不起。但知道这些信息对未来我想买东西的时候很有好处。或者如果有人问我想要什么礼物，我也知道该告诉他们什么。

17:59-18:07 - Researcher: Got it. So it's almost like research for later. How long have you been using ChatGPT overall — like, when did you first start using it, even before you paid for it? - 明白了。所以这更像是为了以后做的研究。你总共使用 ChatGPT 多久了——我是说，在你付费之前，你是什么时候开始用的？

18:09-18:30 - Alex: And I can't really remember. It has to be at least two years ago. Um, really, when it just started getting gaining popularity, I mean, pretty much as soon as I heard about it, I started using it. So I can't remember when that was exactly, but I think probably two years consistently. - 我不太记得了。至少是两年前吧。嗯，就在它刚开始流行的时候，我的意思是，几乎是在我听说它之后就开始用了。所以我不记得确切时间了，但我想大概持续用了两年。

18:33-18:37 - Researcher: And where did you first hear about it? Do you remember what made you want to try it out? - 你最早是从哪里听说它的？你还记得是什么让你想尝试它的吗？

18:39-18:56 - Alex: TikTok, social media, just, like, you know, everybody talking about AI and, you know, it being on the news and how crazy it is and, you know, how you know, incredible it works. And, of course, I had to figure you know, find out for myself. - TikTok、社交媒体，就是那种……所有人都在谈论 AI，新闻里也在播，说它有多疯狂，说它的工作方式有多么不可思议。当然，我必须亲自去探个究竟。

18:58-19:05 - Researcher: What was your first reaction when you actually tried it? Like, do you remember what you asked it or how you felt about what it could do? - 当你真正尝试它时，你的第一反应是什么？比如，你还记得问了它什么，或者对它的能力有什么感觉吗？

19:13-19:21 - Alex: I have no idea what I asked it. I cannot remember that far back, but I do remember being completely mind blown because of the capabilities that the tool has. It's just, like, it's almost unfathomable how it works. - 我完全不记得问了它什么。那么久以前的事记不清了，但我确实记得当时感到非常震撼，因为这个工具拥有的能力。它工作的原理简直让人觉得匪夷所思。

19:23-19:33 - Researcher: Yeah, it's wild. So you've been using ChatGPT for about two years now, and it's your main AI tool. Have you tried any other AI chatbots or assistants — like Claude, Gemini, Copilot, anything else? - 是的，太不可思议了。所以你用 ChatGPT 大约两年了，它是你主要的 AI 工具。你有没有试过其他的 AI 聊天机器人或助手——比如 Claude、Gemini、Copilot 或其他的？

19:40-20:03 - Alex: Yes. I mean, I've not really, like, intentionally, with a lot of effort. I did download Claude because I kept hearing about it, but I didn't really understand, like, what the difference was, like, what Claude offered like, any different than like, other AIs. So I don't really see the point if they're all kind of the same. - 有过。我的意思是，没怎么刻意尝试。我确实下载过 Claude，因为我一直听说它，但我不太明白……有什么区别，比如 Claude 提供的功能和其他 AI 有什么不同。如果大家做的事都差不多，我看不出有什么必要换。

20:05-20:12 - Researcher: So you downloaded Claude but didn't really stick with it because it seemed similar. Did you pay for Claude, or just try the free version? - 所以你下载了 Claude 但没坚持用，因为它看起来差不多。你给 Claude 付过费吗，还是只试了免费版？

20:12-20:13 - Alex: Just the free version. - 只是免费版。

20:15-20:18 - Researcher: And besides Claude, any others you've tried or looked into? - 除了 Claude，还有其他的试过或了解过吗？

20:20-20:21 - Alex: No. - 没有。

20:22-20:29 - Researcher: So ChatGPT is really the only one you use regularly. What makes it your favorite compared to Claude or other options you've heard about? - 所以 ChatGPT 真的是你唯一经常使用的。与 Claude 或其他你听说的选项相比，是什么让它成为你的最爱？

20:35-21:18 - Alex: Well, I mean, it's my favorite because it's obviously, it's, the original. It's, like, the most known you know, AI tool out there. And also, it has built a memory of me now you know, for the past two years or so that is really valuable to me, that data and being able to, you know, have the AI reference it and have that in its knowledge base is you know, and continuing to build on that is important to me to continue. Because I don't wanna I mean, completely start over with another one. So that's where I'm at. - 嗯，我是说，它是我的最爱是因为，显然，它是鼻祖。它是目前知名度最高的 AI 工具。而且，在过去两年左右的时间里，它已经建立了关于我的记忆。那些数据对我来说非常有价值，能够让 AI 引用它，并将其作为知识库的一部分，并且在那个基础上继续构建，这对我继续使用它非常重要。因为我不想在另一个工具上完全从头开始。所以这就是我的想法。

21:20-21:33 - Researcher: That makes total sense — you've invested two years of conversations and personal information into it. Going back to when you first got Plus, before you lost it — do you remember what made you decide to start paying the twenty dollars that first time? - 完全可以理解——你已经投入了两年的对话和个人信息。回想起你第一次开通 Plus 的时候，在你曾经停掉它之前——你还记得第一次决定开始付那二十美元的原因吗？

21:40-22:06 - Alex: Yeah. It was pretty much the same thing. I wanted the full capabilities without limitations. Um, I wanted to have, like, full access to all the tools without, you know, like I said, limitations. Like, there's, like, a daily usage for the free version. And then also, like I said before, it stores, you know, your memory, and it keeps the conversations and you can kinda build on them like a tree. So I wanted that feature as well. - 是的，基本上也是一样的原因。我想要完整的功能，没有限制。嗯，我想要完全访问所有工具而没有任何限制。就像我说的，免费版有每日使用限制。然后，也像我之前说的，它能存储记忆，保留对话，你可以像树一样在那基础上构建。所以我也想要那个功能。

22:09-22:14 - Researcher: And how long did you use the free version before you decided to upgrade to Plus that first time? - 那你在第一次决定升级到 Plus 之前，用了多久的免费版？

22:18-22:19 - Alex: I can't really remember. Maybe three or four months. - 不太记得了。大概三四个月吧。

22:22-22:31 - Researcher: So you used it for a few months, hit those limits, and then upgraded. When you had to cancel it because you couldn't afford it, how long were you without Plus before you got that promotional offer? - 所以你用了几个月，触碰到了限制，然后升级了。当你因为付不起钱而不得不取消时，在拿到那个促销优惠之前，你有多少时间没用 Plus？

22:34-22:35 - Alex: Probably six months. - 大概六个月。

22:37-22:45 - Researcher: That's a pretty long gap. During those six months without Plus, did you go back to using the free version, or did you just stop using ChatGPT altogether? - 那段间隔挺长的。在没有 Plus 的那六个月里，你是回到了免费版，还是完全停止使用 ChatGPT 了？

23:02-23:10 - Alex: Oh, I definitely still use the free version. And the free version still, like, even though it wasn't plus anymore, it still had, like, a memory bank of our conversations. I just don't think it, like, stored them, like, when it was free. So it still had that data there, Yeah. - 哦，我肯定还在用免费版。免费版虽然不再是 Plus 了，但它仍然保留着我们对话的记忆库。我只是觉得在免费的时候它不再继续存储新的记忆。所以以前的数据还是在那里的，是的。

23:12-23:22 - Researcher: Interesting. So it still remembered stuff from before, it just wasn't adding new memories. During those six months on the free version, what was the most frustrating part about not having Plus? - 有意思。所以它还记得以前的事，只是不再增加新记忆了。在用免费版的那六个月里，没有 Plus 最让你崩溃的地方是什么？

23:25-24:00 - Alex: Basically, whenever I would be using it, and then it tell me that I had to wait, you know, until a certain time of day before I could, you know, use it again because I'd used up the, you know, usage for the day. So I would resolve that by making another, you know, ChatGPT account so I could continue what I was working on. That that was super frustrating because it would basically, like, halt whatever I was working on with ChatGPT and I'd have to continue on a different account so I could keep asking questions or having it do stuff. - 基本上就是每当我正在用它的时候，它就会告诉我必须等到当天的某个时间点才能再次使用，因为我已经用完了当天的额度。我会通过再注册一个 ChatGPT 账号来解决这个问题，这样我就可以继续我正在做的事。这超级令人沮丧，因为它基本上会中断我正在用 ChatGPT 处理的事情，我得在另一个账号上继续，才能接着提问或让它做事。

24:02-24:09 - Researcher: Oh wow, so you actually created multiple accounts just to get around the daily limits. How many accounts did you end up making during that time? - 喔，所以你实际上注册了多个账号来绕过每日限制。那段时间你最后一共注册了几个账号？

24:13-24:22 - Alex: Probably only one other account. I have another Gmail, and so I would just switch kinda back and forth between it. - 大概就另一个吧。我有另一个 Gmail 账号，所以我就在两个账号之间切换。

24:26-24:34 - Researcher: That's resourceful. So when that promotional offer came through after six months, was it pretty much an instant decision to resubscribe, or did you think about it? - 那真是挺有办法的。所以当六个月后那个促销优惠出现时，你是瞬间就决定重新订阅，还是考虑了一下？

24:36-24:38 - Alex: It was an instant decision. - 是瞬间决定的。

24:39-24:49 - Researcher: Makes sense — you were already working around the limits. So right now you're paying $20 a month for ChatGPT Plus. Is that a monthly subscription that renews automatically, or do you pay some other way? - 有道理——你之前就已经在想办法绕过限制了。所以现在你每月为 ChatGPT Plus 支付 20 美元。这是自动续费的月度订阅，还是你用其他方式支付？

24:53-24:54 - Alex: It renews automatically. - 它是自动续费的。

24:57-25:05 - Researcher: Got it. Have you ever considered switching to a different payment model — like paying annually or using tokens — or has it always been the monthly subscription? - 明白了。你有没有考虑过换一种支付模式——比如按年付费或者使用代币（tokens）——还是一直都是月度订阅？

25:08-25:21 - Alex: Um, I would prefer the monthly. So I don't wanna have to pay if I do annually, that's a large sum of money out of pocket at once that I just can't afford. So I'm good with the monthly. - 嗯，我更倾向于月付。我不想一次付一整年的。如果按年付，那是一大笔一次性支出，我承担不起。所以我更喜欢月付。

25:23-25:35 - Researcher: That makes sense. So you've stuck with monthly the whole time. Earlier you mentioned you had to stop paying because you couldn't afford it — what changed financially that made you able to start paying again, besides the promotional offer? - 明白了。所以你一直坚持月付。之前你提到曾因为付不起钱而停止支付——除了那个促销优惠外，你的财务状况发生了什么变化让你能重新开始付钱？

25:40-25:49 - Alex: Well, I was unemployed for some time. And now I have a job again, so I can you know, afford to pay for extras that I wasn't able to before. - 嗯，我失业过一段时间。现在我有工作了，所以我可以负担得起以前没法支付的额外开销。

25:52-26:03 - Researcher: Ah, that's a big shift. So you lost your advertising job, were unemployed during that six-month gap, and now you're working at the call center. Do you think there's any chance you'd have to stop paying for it again in the future? - 啊，那是个很大的转变。所以你失去了广告公司的工作，在那六个月的空窗期里失业了，现在在呼叫中心工作。你觉得未来还有可能再次停止为它付费吗？

26:04-26:07 - Alex: Unless I lose my job, no. I don't think so. - 除非我丢了工作，否则不会。我觉得不会。

26:09-26:22 - Researcher: How confident are you that you'll keep paying for it going forward? If I asked you to rate your willingness to continue paying for ChatGPT Plus in the future on a scale of 0 to 10 — where 0 is not willing at all and 10 is extremely willing — what would you say? - 你对未来继续为它付费有多大的信心？如果我让你用 0 到 10 分来评估你未来继续支付 ChatGPT Plus 的意愿——0 分是完全不愿意，10 分是极其愿意——你会给几分？

26:24-26:25 - Alex: Probably an eight. - 大概 8 分。

26:27-26:30 - Researcher: An 8 — that's pretty high. What makes it an 8 and not, say, a 10? - 8 分——那挺高的。为什么是 8 分而不是 10 分呢？

26:41-26:57 - Alex: I mean, there's always circumstances where I would not be able to afford it again. That I would have to consider. Um, but that's really the only reason why I wouldn't pay for it is if I couldn't afford it. That's the only reason. There's no other reason why I wouldn't want ChatGPT. - 我的意思是，总有可能会出现我再次付不起钱的情况。那是必须考虑的因素。嗯，这真的是我不付钱的唯一原因，就是如果我承担不起。那是唯一的原因。没有其他原因会让我不想用 ChatGPT。

26:59-27:11 - Researcher: So it's purely financial — if money wasn't an issue, it'd be a 10. That makes sense. When you're thinking about whether to pay for ChatGPT or any AI tool, what are the main factors that influence your decision? Like, what matters most to you? - 所以纯粹是财务原因——如果钱不是问题，那就是 10 分。这完全合理。当你在考虑是否要为 ChatGPT 或任何 AI 工具付费时，影响你决定的主要因素是什么？比如，什么对你来说最重要的？

27:26-28:05 - Alex: I guess the the features and if it's worth it, I mean, twenty dollars, I do feel like is pretty steep to be paying for an app. Definitely don't have any other apps that I pay for that are like, that much cost wise. But because I use it so regularly, I feel that it's worth it. As far as, like, what you know, factors do I use in my decision for which one I choose, I don't really know, like, it would have to offer, like, some kind of feature that, like, I really would want to use or like, something really new and innovative. So far, - 我觉得是功能以及它是否值得。我的意思是，二十美元我觉得作为一个 App 的月费来说是挺贵的。我确实没有其他任何 App 需要付这么多钱。但因为我用得非常频繁，我觉得它值得。至于我会用什么因素来决定选择哪一个，我不太清楚，它必须提供某种我真的很想用的功能，或者是某种非常新颖、创新的东西。到目前为止……

28:07-28:07 - Researcher: So - 所以……

28:07-28:08 - Alex: So yeah. - 所以是的。

28:10-28:24 - Researcher: So usage frequency is a big one — you use it daily, so $20 feels justified. And features matter. If you had to rank the factors that influence whether you'd pay for an AI chatbot, how would you order them? Like, what's number one, number two, and so on? - 所以使用频率是一个大项——因为你每天都用，所以 20 美元觉得是合里的。功能也很重要。如果你必须对影响你是否支付 AI 聊天机器人的因素进行排名，你会怎么排？比如第一、第二是什么？

28:34-28:54 - Alex: Number one. What are the tools? Tools that I can use, features. Number two, cost. How much does it cost? Number three, I don't know. I really don't know how to answer this. - 第一，工具本身是什么？我能用的工具、功能。第二，成本。它要花多少钱？第三，我不确定。我真的不知道该怎么回答这个。

28:54-29:07 - Researcher: Take That's okay. You've got features and cost — those are the big two. Let me ask it differently: if you had a magic wand and could instantly change one thing about ChatGPT, what would you change? - 没关系。你有功能和成本——这两个是大头。让我换个问法：如果你有一根魔法棒，可以瞬间改变 ChatGPT 的一件事，你会改变什么？

29:34-30:22 - Alex: I can't really think of anything. I mean, I guess just make it better. Like, make it more realistic. I mean, it's already pretty realistic. I guess the only other thing is it seems like there's a slight difference between like, when I talk to the AI, like, actually talking one, not just the typing one. There's a bit of a difference in, like, the quality of, like, information I get, and it's, like, usually pretty short and more conversational. It doesn't provide as much information as it would if it was, like, typing it out. Which I understand. It's not you know, if I'm talking to it out loud, I don't want it to just, like, dump a bunch of data on me. That's not really the point. But but that's not even really, like, a complaint. It's just something I noticed. - 我实在想不出什么了。我的意思是，我觉得就是让它变得更好。比如，让它更真实。其实它已经挺真实的了。我想到的另一件事是，当我用语音和 AI 交流时，就是真正说话的那种，而不仅仅是打字的那种，两者之间似乎有一点细微的差别。我得到的回复质量有一点不同，语音版通常比较简短，更口语化。它提供的信息不像打字输出时那么多。这我也能理解。毕竟如果我是大声跟它说话，我也不希望它直接丢给我一大堆数据。那不是语音交流的目的。但这甚至都称不上是抱怨，只是我观察到的一个现象。

30:24-30:32 - Researcher: That's interesting — you've noticed the voice version is more conversational and less detailed. Do you use the voice feature a lot, or do you mostly type? - 这很有趣——你注意到语音版更趋向于对话式，而细节较少。你经常使用语音功能吗，还是大部分时间都在打字？

30:39-30:55 - Alex: I've used it in the past mainly, like, just kinda for fun, not, like, really for anything serious. Kinda just, like, testing it out. But I wouldn't say I it's, like, a main feature that I use. It's more for, like, casual use. - 我以前用它主要是为了好玩，不是为了处理什么严肃的事情。有点像是测试一下。但我不会说它是我的一个主要功能。它更多是用于休闲。

30:57-31:08 - Researcher: Got it. So mostly typing for the serious stuff. How would you rate ChatGPT's uniqueness compared to other AI tools you've seen or tried — on a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is not unique at all and 5 is very unique? - 明白了。所以严肃的事情主要靠打字。你会如何评价 ChatGPT 与你见过或试过的其他 AI 工具相比的独特性——按 1 到 5 分打分，1 分是完全不独特，5 分是非常独特？

31:14-31:34 - Alex: I'd have to say a three because I'm not familiar with other AI tools like I am ChatGPT. So I don't know how unique it is compared to others. As far as I know, they're all the same. So you know, But I don't know anything, so I can't really give a straight answer to that. - 我得说是 3 分，因为我对其他 AI 工具不像对 ChatGPT 这么熟悉。所以我不知道它比起其他工具到底有多独特。就我所知，它们似乎都差不多。所以你知道的，但我并不了解其他工具，所以我无法给出一个直接的答案。

31:37-31:52 - Researcher: Fair enough — you haven't really explored the others deeply. What about the quality of what ChatGPT generates for you — the content, the answers, the images it helps with. On a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is very unsatisfied and 5 is very satisfied, how satisfied are you with the output quality? - 很公平——你还没有深入探索过其他的工具。那么 ChatGPT 为你生成的内容质量如何——包括具体的内容、答案以及它辅助生成的图像。按 1 到 5 分打分，1 分是非常不满意，5 分是非常满意，你对输出质量的满意度是多少？

32:10-32:23 - Alex: I would say a four. There have been times I definitely, like, you know, it isn't understanding, like, what I'm asking for completely, and I kinda have to like, reword what I'm saying. Um, but for the most part, it's pretty spot on. - 我会说是 4 分。确实有过一些时候，它完全不能理解我的要求，我不得不重新组织我的语言。嗯，但大部分情况下，它还是很准的。

32:25-32:33 - Researcher: What about value for money — the cost versus what you're getting. On that same 1 to 5 scale, how satisfied are you with ChatGPT's value for the $20 you're paying? - 关于性价比呢——也就是成本与你所获得的价值。同样是 1 到 5 分，你对 ChatGPT 每月 20 美元的价值满意度如何？

33:02-33:16 - Alex: I say that it's pretty fair because it's a tool that I use on a daily basis, and it's an incredible tool. If it was something that was, like, you know, simple and dumb. Like, I wouldn't be paying twenty dollars for it. But it's something that I find to be very useful in my daily life. And so I think twenty dollars is is fair. I mean, hope I would hope that maybe in the future that cost could go down, to something a little bit more reasonable, but I'm okay with paying it for now. - 我觉得挺合理的，因为它是我每天都在用的工具，而且它非常强大。如果它是个简单又笨的东西，我肯定不会付 20 美元。但我发现它在我的日常生活中非常有用。所以我认为 20 美元是公平的。我的意思是，我希望未来价格能降下来，降到更合理的水平，但目前我愿意支付这个价格。

33:18-33:23 - Researcher: So you'd give it maybe a 4 out of 5 for value? You think it's fair, but ideally it'd be cheaper? - 所以关于价值你可能会给 4 分（满分 5 分）？你觉得它合理，但理想情况下应该更便宜？

33:27-33:28 - Alex: Yeah. - 是的。

33:31-33:42 - Researcher: Makes sense. Let me ask you a bigger picture question: how do you generally feel about paying for AI tools as a concept? Does it feel like a normal thing to pay for, or does it feel different than paying for other software or apps? - 理解。让我问你一个更宏观的问题：你通常如何看待“为 AI 工具付费”这个概念？它感觉像是一件再正常不过的付费行为，还是觉得与购买其他软件或 App 的感觉有所不同？

33:54-34:14 - Alex: I think it makes sense because it's, you know, a newer, I guess, in the field of tech. And so it costs a lot of money to you know, develop and make this tool. So I understand, like, having to pay for it. It's something really special. And I don't really think that so I understand why it's not just completely free to everybody. - 我觉得这很合理，因为在科技领域它算是个比较新的东西。所以开发和制作这个工具需要投入大量的资金。我理解为什么要为此付费。它确实很特别。我不觉得它应该对所有人完全免费，所以我理解背后的逻辑。

34:16-34:24 - Researcher: Does it feel any different to you emotionally compared to paying for, say, Netflix or Spotify or other digital subscriptions you might have had? - 相比于为你可能已经订阅的 Netflix 或 Spotify 等其他数字服务付费，你在情感上有什么不同的感觉吗？

34:27-34:30 - Alex: I wouldn't say there's an emotional aspect tied to it at all. - 我不认为这其中有涉及任何情感方面的因素。

34:32-34:43 - Researcher: So it's pretty straightforward — just another tool you pay for. Thinking about the actual impact ChatGPT has had on your life, what value has it brought you? Like, how has paying for it and using it changed things for you day-to-day? - 所以这很直接——就是你付费购买的另一个工具。考虑到 ChatGPT 对你生活产生的实际影响，它为你带来了什么价值？比如，付费使用它如何改变了你的日常生活？

34:56-35:32 - Alex: It I believe, you know, the thing about AI is it makes us better at our jobs. It makes us better at our hobbies. It helps it makes us smarter. I just think that it's an incredible tool that makes us just better, more efficient, smarter, humans. So I think there's a lot of people that fear ChatGPT or AI, like, it's gonna take our jobs or do do do. I think I disagree with that. I think it's gonna make us better at our jobs. I think it's gonna you know, um, make us show up better do more than we ever could before. So that's how I feel about it. - 我相信，关于 AI 的一点是，它让我们在工作中表现得更好，在爱好上表现得更好。它帮助我们变得更聪明。我只是觉得它是一个不可思议的工具，让我们成为更优秀、更高效、更聪明的人。我知道很多人害怕 ChatGPT 或 AI，觉得它会抢走我们的工作等等。但我不同意这种看法。我认为它会让我们在工作中表现得更出色。它会让你表现得更好，能完成比以前更多的工作。这就是我的感受。

35:34-35:45 - Researcher: That's a really optimistic take. When you think about your own situation — using it for job applications, for art, for personal support — do you feel like it's actually made you better or more capable in those specific areas? - 这是个非常乐观的看法。考虑到你自己的情况——用它来申请工作、搞艺术、寻求个人支持——你是否觉得它真的让你在这些特定领域变得更好或更有能力了？

36:12-36:33 - Alex: Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's made job applications easier, faster, I don't have to spend as much time, you know, on certain ones. For art, it's, like, helped me with create ideas, It's critiqued my art, what I should work on. It's helped me come up with, like, an art you know, practice plan. So one hundred percent. And then as far as for, like, personal use, I mean, I've talked to it about pretty much everything, family problems, relationship problems, personal problems. So I think it had there's you know I feel very positive about how that has helped me. - 是的，绝对的。我觉得它让申请工作变得更容易、更快捷，我不需要在某些申请上花费那么多时间了。在艺术方面，它帮我构思创意，评价我的作品有哪些需要改进的地方。它还帮我制定了艺术练习计划。所以是百分之百（有帮助的）。至于个人用途，我和它聊过几乎所有事情：家庭问题、感情问题、个人困扰。所以我感觉它在这方面对我的帮助非常积极。

36:35-36:41 - Researcher: Where do you usually hear about new AI products when they come out? Like, what are your main sources for discovering new tools? - 当新的 AI 产品问世时，你通常从哪里听到消息？你发现新工具的主要来源是什么？

36:50-36:56 - Alex: I mean, mainly, like, social media, like TikTok or you know, tech articles like The Verge is a website that I like. - 主要是在社交媒体上，比如 TikTok，或者一些科技类文章，我很喜欢 The Verge 这个网站。

36:58-37:02 - Researcher: Do you actively look for AI news, or does it just kind of come to you through your feed? - 你会主动寻找 AI 新闻，还是它只是通过你的信息流推送到你面前？

37:04-37:07 - Alex: It just kinda comes to me through my feed. - 只是通过信息流推送到我这儿。

37:09-37:21 - Researcher: Got it. Last question for this section: do you have a mental budget for how much you'd be willing to spend on AI products or services total each month? Like, is there a maximum amount you'd feel comfortable paying across all AI tools? - 明白了。本节的最后一个问题：你心里有没有一个关于每月愿意在 AI 产品或服务上总共花费多少钱的预算？也就是说，你愿意在所有 AI 工具上支付的最高金额是多少？

37:24-37:27 - Alex: Honestly, for now, probably no more than twenty dollars. - 说实话，目前大概不会超过 20 美元。

37:29-37:32 - Researcher: So ChatGPT is basically maxing out what you'd spend on AI right now? - 所以 ChatGPT 基本上已经达到了你目前在 AI 支出上的上限？

37:34-37:35 - Alex: Yes. - 是的。

37:39-38:17 - Researcher: Perfect. Well, that wraps up all my questions — we've finished the interview! Let me share a few key insights from our conversation: You're someone who's found real, practical value in ChatGPT across multiple parts of your life — from job hunting to creative work to personal support. The memory feature and unlimited access are what make the $20 worth it for you, even though you'd love it to be cheaper. You're pretty loyal to ChatGPT, partly because it was first and you haven't seen compelling reasons to switch, but you'd be open to something truly innovative. And you see AI as a tool that makes us better, not something to fear. Thank you so much for your time and honesty today. How did you feel about this AI-powered interview experience? - 太棒了。好吧，我的问题就到这里——我们的访谈结束了！ 让我分享一下我们对话中获得的一些关键见解：你通过 ChatGPT 在生活的多个方面发现了真实的、实用的价值——从求职到创意工作再到个人支持。尽管你希望价格能更便宜，但记忆功能和无限访问权限让你觉得 20 美元花得值。你对 ChatGPT 相当忠诚，部分原因是它最先出现，而且你还没看到必须要切换的理由，但你对真正具有创新性的东西持开放态度。你将 AI 视为一种让我们变得更好的工具，而不是需要恐惧的东西。 非常感谢你今天的参与和坦诚。你觉得这次 AI 驱动的访谈体验怎么样？

38:20-38:26 - Alex: I thought it went really well. I felt like it was very natural, and you did a really great job. - 我觉得进行得非常顺利。虽然是 AI，但感觉非常自然，你做得特别棒。

38:28-38:41 - Researcher: That means a lot — thank you! I'm glad it felt natural and comfortable. Your insights were really valuable, especially hearing how ChatGPT has become such an integrated part of your daily life. Best of luck with your art, your job search, and everything else. Take care! - 这对我意义重大——谢谢！很高兴你觉得它自然且舒适。你的观点非常有价值，特别是听到 ChatGPT 是如何成为你日常生活的一部分。祝你的艺术事业、求职以及其他一切顺利。保重！